From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed May 26 2004 - 19:11:55 BST
On 19 May 2004 12:43 AM Alicia Dvoprak to Matt Poot writes:
> On May 19, 2004, at 8:36 PM, Matt poot wrote:
> > I think this discussion has a lot to do with gender. knowing that
> > gender and sex are different, it is more easy to recognize that there
> > are some people who seem to have a different gender, than that which
> > would be more popularly "natural" (heterosexuality).
>
> AD: i don't think that hetero/homo sexuality has to do with gender.
> gender is a social construct and though it may determine is another
> person is attracted to you, it doesn't determine one's own sexual
> preference. As an example, transgendered people can be either straight
> or gay.
>
> > So the question to me , is whether this is the result of "natural"
> > occurences, meaning that it is not due to the parenting, or social
> > factors, but more to the biological (genetic) and intellectual..
>
> AD: i agree that this is the question, but either way, i think it has
> to do with sex/sexuality and not gender. The nature versus nurture
> debate surrounding homosexuality is ongoing in the world, and,
> honestly, i don't know that we can answer it here. Even if we can agree
> on the parameters of the biological level, i don't see how we could
> place homosexuality for certain in either (bio or social).
>
> any other thoughts on gender anyone?
Hi AD, Matt P. and all:
joe: I find it interesting that you place gender as a social construct. I
think the matter of physiological differences need to be more fully
explained metaphysically. The + and - poles of a battery might offer an
analogy to man and woman in a social setting. The + pole is incomplete, and
the - pole is complete but able to accept more. I can recall no
metaphysical language to explain the two poles, nor how they evolve from
the inorganic level. It seems that a man is a center of gravity in one way,
and a woman is a center of gravity in another way.
I do not find the statement men from Mars and women from Venus to be a
metaphysical explanation. The social level does not distinguish individual
differences. The social roles of gender are not complete in an individual.
No individual is a state, and no individual is an island. I have heard no
suggestion that there is a metaphysical degenerate description of an active
and a passive limit to each of the levels. The active limit might be the
evolution from one level to the next. DQ! The passive limit might be
everything that can be accepted in the evolution to that level. SQ! In this
case gender applies to all the levels, not just the social.
A woman is everything that life can be. The fulness of life must come from
woman? Life meaning evolution as I know it.
Joe Maurer
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