From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue May 25 2004 - 17:47:52 BST
MSH: Nevertheless, if you are really interested, I believe I can sketch
some of the characteristics of a more moral socio-economic system
than what we have now.
DM: Please do some time, I'd be interested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: MD "biological" crime
> Hi Platt, and all,
>
> Platt, at least we're not repeating ourselves. Thanks.
>
> On 24 May 2004 at 15:12, Platt Holden wrote:
>
> Let's see. Unless I grossly misread what you say, you are mostly
> against the U.S.
>
> msh:
> Not at all. I'm against any entity that projects its own power, for
> its own purposes, at the expense of the freedom of others, using
> "freedom" in the MOQish sense.
>
> ph
> against the U.N.
>
> msh says:
> Not really. I think the IDEA of a UN is a great one. And there are
> times when the UN, even as it exists, can be used to emphasize any
> nation's disregard for world opinion. This is useful. But as long
> as any UNSC resolution can be vetoed by any one of only five nations,
> well, just how much of a world organization is that?
>
> ph:
> against capitalism,
>
> msh says:
> More generally, against any economic system that says it's morally ok
> for a few people to have billions while billions have nothing. I
> mean, think of the teleology here: There's just not enough stuff for
> more than one person to own everything.
>
> ph:
> against the media
>
> msh says:
> Not sure how I can be "against" the media.
>
> ph:
> and against establishing a democracy in Iraq such as was
> accomplished in Germany and Japan following WW II.
>
> msh says:
> As I've argued elsewhere, the LAST thing the US policy makers want in
> Iraq is a democracy, at least not in any meaningful sense of the
> word. They don't even want it here, to the extent that it can be
> said to exist. (This sounds familiar: Am I starting to quote
> myself?)
>
> ph:
> In other words, what sort of government do you envision under the
> rubric of Pirsig's highest moral value of "freedom."
>
> msh says:
> One of the great things about a non-teleological, DQ driven, morality
> evolving metaphysics is that we don't have to envision an end, and
> can't anyway. All we have to do is NOT IMPEDE the free flow and
> interaction of ideas and maximize individual freedom for the greatest
> number of people possible. Under these conditions, the morally
> perfect society will be approached asymptotically. At least this is
> my understanding of the MOQ.
>
> Nevertheless, if you are really interested, I believe I can sketch
> some of the characteristics of a more moral socio-economic system
> than what we have now.
>
> But I gotta take my intellectual self to work, or my biological self
> is gonna be in trouble.
>
> Later,
> MarkH
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