From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon May 24 2004 - 22:09:12 BST
Hi Platt, and all,
Platt, at least we're not repeating ourselves. Thanks.
On 24 May 2004 at 15:12, Platt Holden wrote:
Let's see. Unless I grossly misread what you say, you are mostly
against the U.S.
msh:
Not at all. I'm against any entity that projects its own power, for
its own purposes, at the expense of the freedom of others, using
"freedom" in the MOQish sense.
ph
against the U.N.
msh says:
Not really. I think the IDEA of a UN is a great one. And there are
times when the UN, even as it exists, can be used to emphasize any
nation's disregard for world opinion. This is useful. But as long
as any UNSC resolution can be vetoed by any one of only five nations,
well, just how much of a world organization is that?
ph:
against capitalism,
msh says:
More generally, against any economic system that says it's morally ok
for a few people to have billions while billions have nothing. I
mean, think of the teleology here: There's just not enough stuff for
more than one person to own everything.
ph:
against the media
msh says:
Not sure how I can be "against" the media.
ph:
and against establishing a democracy in Iraq such as was
accomplished in Germany and Japan following WW II.
msh says:
As I've argued elsewhere, the LAST thing the US policy makers want in
Iraq is a democracy, at least not in any meaningful sense of the
word. They don't even want it here, to the extent that it can be
said to exist. (This sounds familiar: Am I starting to quote
myself?)
ph:
In other words, what sort of government do you envision under the
rubric of Pirsig's highest moral value of "freedom."
msh says:
One of the great things about a non-teleological, DQ driven, morality
evolving metaphysics is that we don't have to envision an end, and
can't anyway. All we have to do is NOT IMPEDE the free flow and
interaction of ideas and maximize individual freedom for the greatest
number of people possible. Under these conditions, the morally
perfect society will be approached asymptotically. At least this is
my understanding of the MOQ.
Nevertheless, if you are really interested, I believe I can sketch
some of the characteristics of a more moral socio-economic system
than what we have now.
But I gotta take my intellectual self to work, or my biological self
is gonna be in trouble.
Later,
MarkH
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