Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun May 30 2004 - 11:55:01 BST

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    Hi Platt

    You could say that consciousness exists at all levels
    and human consciousness is more complex
    than animal, plant, molecular, atomic, electron
    consciousness. More complex consciouness
    may mean a greater reach, consciously occupying
    a larger world, as we increasingly do. & I am
    suggesting associating consciousness in the above sense
    with DQ. I take your point about mystics and SOM.
    But therefore, what do you think of the intellectual level?
    Pirsig suggests that it is the highest level, you point out its
    association with SOM, is it highest yet flawed?

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 2:12 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

    > Hi David M:
    >
    > > I think the thing Platt needs to grasp is that DQ
    > > can emerge in a more complex way at higher levels.
    >
    > I fail to grasp your assertion because I can find no support for it in
    > Pirsig's writings. In fact, the story of the Zuni and brujo contradicts
    what
    > you say. DQ can emerge from a human response to it by anyone, anywhere, at
    > anytime. It's one's openness to DQ that determines its emergence and
    > influence. As Pirsig points out time and again, SOM intellect blocks
    access
    > to DQ. In that metaphysics, DQ, the moral force, doesn't exist and so goes
    > unrecognized. SOM dominates the current intellectual level. So for an
    > intellectual to respond to DQ at that "higher level" is less rather than
    more
    > likely. Mystics and artists are much better candidates for responding to
    DQ
    > than "higher intellects." Finally, how does DQ become "more complex?" Can
    you
    > give examples of simple DQ vs. complex DQ?
    >
    > Thanks.
    > Platt
    >
    >
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