Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun May 30 2004 - 14:57:40 BST

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    Which ends on eaxctly the same point as Platt's last response ...

    ... begging the question "what morals".

    Ian G
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
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    Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 2:27 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

    > Good point in there ...
    > This is evolution we are talking about ... clearly one mutation too far
    > cannot be expected to "stick" and lead to a new stable generation - both
    > halves of the evolution story are needed.
    > The "feasible change" and the "supportive environment" - all change and no
    > foundations is pure chaos - true "DQ leaves SQ in it's wake", but DQ needs
    > SQ too.
    >
    > If the SQ supportive environment is "wrong" the DQ changes that survive as
    > the next generation of SQ will also be "wrong".
    > This is Blackmore's issue with memes. "Bad" ideas are equally (if not
    more)
    > likely to succeed than "good" ones.
    > SQ needs to know which qualities it values in order to sustain the
    platform
    > for good DQ.
    >
    > Ian Glendinning
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 12:15 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    >
    >
    > > Hi Mark
    > >
    > > Hard to draw a line here between DQ/SQ
    > > as DQ leaves SQ in its wake. There is perhaps
    > > a balance between retaining the SQ that still
    > > has its role/use and reaching higher -which
    > > depends on SQ as its ladder.
    > >
    > > regards
    > > David M
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:29 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    > >
    > >
    > > > On 29 May 2004 at 14:07, David Morey wrote:
    > > > Not entirely fair, there is clearly the possibility
    > > > of reaching too far too soon, whereby in an attempt
    > > > to improve the intellectual level freedom we may introduce freedoms
    > > > that destroy the social levels rise above the biological.
    > > >
    > > > msh says:
    > > > Sure. But this is a failure of static value patterns, attempting to
    > > > bite off more than they're ready to chew, so to speak, that SQ failed
    > > > to "latch" onto DQ, for now. This doesn't mean that DQ gives way to
    > > > SQ, does it? If so, the MOQ, as I understand it, collapses.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > > msh
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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