Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun May 30 2004 - 19:10:27 BST

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    Hi

    Values: Well I think we need to place all our
    patterns/organisations/activity in the context
    of evolution and freedom, and then ask
    what is good SQ patterns on each of the levels with the
    aim of supporting the higher levels. EG I would
    suggest that our current social org for education gives
    very poor support to genuine intellectual values.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 2:57 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

    > Which ends on eaxctly the same point as Platt's last response ...
    >
    > .... begging the question "what morals".
    >
    > Ian G
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 2:27 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    >
    >
    > > Good point in there ...
    > > This is evolution we are talking about ... clearly one mutation too far
    > > cannot be expected to "stick" and lead to a new stable generation - both
    > > halves of the evolution story are needed.
    > > The "feasible change" and the "supportive environment" - all change and
    no
    > > foundations is pure chaos - true "DQ leaves SQ in it's wake", but DQ
    needs
    > > SQ too.
    > >
    > > If the SQ supportive environment is "wrong" the DQ changes that survive
    as
    > > the next generation of SQ will also be "wrong".
    > > This is Blackmore's issue with memes. "Bad" ideas are equally (if not
    > more)
    > > likely to succeed than "good" ones.
    > > SQ needs to know which qualities it values in order to sustain the
    > platform
    > > for good DQ.
    > >
    > > Ian Glendinning
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 12:15 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    > >
    > >
    > > > Hi Mark
    > > >
    > > > Hard to draw a line here between DQ/SQ
    > > > as DQ leaves SQ in its wake. There is perhaps
    > > > a balance between retaining the SQ that still
    > > > has its role/use and reaching higher -which
    > > > depends on SQ as its ladder.
    > > >
    > > > regards
    > > > David M
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:29 PM
    > > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > > On 29 May 2004 at 14:07, David Morey wrote:
    > > > > Not entirely fair, there is clearly the possibility
    > > > > of reaching too far too soon, whereby in an attempt
    > > > > to improve the intellectual level freedom we may introduce freedoms
    > > > > that destroy the social levels rise above the biological.
    > > > >
    > > > > msh says:
    > > > > Sure. But this is a failure of static value patterns, attempting to
    > > > > bite off more than they're ready to chew, so to speak, that SQ
    failed
    > > > > to "latch" onto DQ, for now. This doesn't mean that DQ gives way to
    > > > > SQ, does it? If so, the MOQ, as I understand it, collapses.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks,
    > > > > msh
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
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