From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sat Jun 12 2004 - 01:48:29 BST
Hi Mark M,
> So, he (Platt) chooses to ignore that completely and suggest,
> quite correctly, that one does not have to be a member of academia to be an
> intellectual.
I'm glad we agree on that. :-)
> 2. "Phaedrus now thought that part of the professors paralysis was a
> commitment to the twentieth-century intellectual doctrines, in which his
> university has had a prominent role." Mark: The proffessors' in question is
> not a group of professors, but a particular individual. He is an
> Aristotelian, as is Ayn Rand.
You missed the part about "the university has had a prominent role,"
clearly placing blame for the paralysis on an academic group who all sang
from the same hymnal and preached the same gospel of SOM.
Mark 12-6-04: You're floundering. I pointed out at the beginning that
intellectual dialogue with you is difficult, and so it is. There are many people who
share this appraisal from the evidence available in this forum.
You provided the forum with two examples of Intellectual Quality. I have
researched Rush Limbaugh and cannot find any material which displays much in the
way of serious Intellectual endeavour. If Rush Limbaugh is Platt Holden's
notion of high Quality intellectual endeavour (Higher Quality than Noam Chomsky as
you have openly expressed to be the case) then i fear your standards are in
dire need of reappraisal.
Ayn Rand has the advantage of at least having produced intellectual material
we may examine. It becomes immediately clear that Ayn Rand's ideas are SOM,
and her 'values from facts' argumentation displays clear incompatibility with
the MOQ.
> 3. Platt Holden says, "Dismissing the thought of an individual because
> he
> isn't an "academic" is elitism of the worse sort." Platt Holden has not
> considered economic 'elitism' which denies democratic rights to individuals
> in favour of business interest.
How so? You've never explained. To begin, please define "democratic
rights" and "business interest" which, after all, is comprised of
individuals.
Mark 12-6-04: We return to experience difficulty in promoting intellectual
dialogue with you.
As long as you deny yourself familiarity with evidence presented in texts
which, have been recommended to you, on grounds that you already know it before
having become familiar with it, then your profound state of ignorance, evinced
in such inappropriate questions as, "How so?" and "You've never explained"
will provide glaring testimony to childlike disinterest.
> Platt Holden has strongly asserted that he
> will not research for himself evidence which has been brought to his
> attention by numerous members of this very forum. And then Platt Holden has
> the brass neck to begin carping on about elitism.
Elitism has nothing to do with what one chooses to research. Elitism is
believing your credentials make you superior.
Mark 12-6-04: Elitists believe themselves to be superior. There is verifiable
evidence which indicates that some elitists deny democracy to those they feel
to be inferior. I am aware of this evidence. You are not.
Denying yourself the opportunity to see for yourself helps the aforesaid
elitists because that is the way they get away with what they do. Well done Platt!
> 4. To return to that 99% which Platt Holden avoids: It is a matter for
> clear intellectual enquiry for anyone to compare Ayn Rand's Objectivism
> with the MOQ. All this is totally ignored in this response. It is ignored
> because Platt Holden cannot challenge it.
No. It is ignored because this is a forum about the MOQ. I do choose to
engage in "philosophology" you seem to enjoy so much. If you can't buy
that, so be it. But, if you want to take about art and beauty and their
relationship to the MOQ . . . :-)
Best,
Platt
Mark 12-6-04: This forum values Intellectual Quality. If you do not believe
this to be so then ask Horse? If Horse tells us that the MOQ.org does not value
Intellectual Quality, i shall leave the forum with immediate effect.
If the MOQ.org does value Intellectual Quality, (as i believe it does), then
we should examine those aspects of discussion Platt Holden chooses to ignore,
and ask if these aspects are related to Intellectual Quality? Because if it
happens to be the case that Platt Holden is choosing to ignore Intellectual
Quality, which is valued by the MOQ.org itself, then Platt Holden's values are not
those of the MOQ.org, even while he is ignoring them!
This brings us to 'Objectivism and the MOQ parts I - III.'
Look! 'MOQ' is even in the title of the thread! Some indication, surely, that
Intellectual Quality may be found lurking in there somewhere?
But Platt Holden knows better. He has declared that this forum is about the
MOQ, and therefore chooses to ignore its content.
I have said it before but it may bare repeating, intellectual dialogue with
you is difficult. And that is the way you and the elitists who deny democracy
like it. Well done Platt!
All the best,
Mark
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