From: Exxon Valdez (exonvaldezz@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 15 2004 - 03:55:55 BST
>>... No, it isn't any "racist" nor any "neo-nazi" organization,
whatsoever...
Paul Vogel,
Are you being serious?
From a brief look on Cosmotheism I´ve become very doubtful towards it to say
the least. Cosmotheism is doubtlessly a racist ideology
>>...[f]rom the Cosmotheist perspective individuals are different in nature
>>from one another and some are better than others, and the same thing holds
>>true for races. According to Cosmotheism, individuals can be measured
>>against what they were and did in the past and what they can become and
>>create in the future, and so too can races...
http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=12548
Its link to Eugenics is also very troublesome.
Curious.
Vito
>From: "Paul Vogel" <nitzke@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>CC: nitzke@hotmail.com
>Subject: RE: MD Ronald Reagan
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:07:01 +0000
>
>Dear Platt,
>
>Such "Ad Hominem" personal attacks are the usual mode of the
>"intellectually bankrupt".
>
>Here is the Whole Truth about "Cosmotheism" that David Buchanan
>and his own ilk of "Selfishly Subjective and Egotistical Egoists" can't
>abide:
>
>An Interview with Dr. Pierce
>http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=12548
>
>
>Cosmotheism is a religion which positively asserts there is an internal
>purpose in life and in the cosmos, and there is an essential unity, or
>consciousness that binds all living beings, and all of the inorganic
>cosmos, as one. Our true human identity is: we are the cosmos, made
>self-aware and self-conscious by evolution. Our undeniable human purpose,
>is to know and to complete ourselves as conscious individuals, and also as
>a self-aware species, and thereby to co-evolve with the cosmos towards
>total and universal awareness, and towards the ever-higher perfection of
>consciousness and being.
>
>
>
>Required Reading For ALL Cosmotheists
>
>Our Destiny By Lew Rockwell
>
>An interesting article related to Cosmotheism/Classical Pantheism:
>
>http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/panpsychism/#1
>http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/panpsychism/#5
>
>The intellectual level is the Highest Level for Pirsig's MOQ, Platt, but,
>the Highest Level for True Cosmotheists is DIVINE CONSCIOUSNESS!
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Paul Vogel
>
>http://www.cosmotheism.net
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>>To: moq_discuss@moq.org, owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
>>Subject: RE: MD Ronald Reagan
>>Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:05:50 -0400
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>When a liberal's doctrine is challenged, he goes bonkers with a personal,
>>ad hominem, attack. Witness DMB's latest screed in which he calls me
>>variously "a knee-jerk ignoramus," "a right-wing ignoramus," and a "neo-
>>Nazi" in addition to being "foolish," "inane," "stupid," and "boring."
>>
>>Sad isn't it? But I take comfort in the knowledge that when one finds it
>>necessary to resort to name calling, Pirsig sets him straight:
>>
>>"To say that a comment is "stupid" is to imply that the person who makes
>>it is stupid. This is the "ad hominem" argument: meaning, "to the
>>person." Logically it is irrelevant. If Joe says the sun is shining and
>>you argue that Joe is insane, or Joe is a Nazi or Joe is stupid, what does
>>this tell us about the condition of the sun? That the ad hominem argument
>>is irrelevant is usually all the logic texts say about it, but the MOQ
>>allows one to go deeper and make what may be an original contribution. It
>>says the ad hominem argument is a form of evil. The MOQ divides the
>>hominem, or "individual" into four parts: inorganic, biological, and
>>intellectual. Once this analysis is made, the ad hominem argument can be
>>defined more clearly: It is an attempt destroy the intellectual patterns
>>of an individual by attacking his social status. In other words, a lower
>>form of evolution is being used to destroy a higher form. That is evil."
>>(Lila's Child, note 140)
>>
>>Case closed.
>>
>>Best,
>>Platt
>>
>>
>>
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>From: "Paul Vogel" <nitzke@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>CC: bannedneedle@yahoo.com
>Subject: RE: MD Statesman? David Buchanan's just "parroting" the usual
>lying slander!
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:15:53 +0000
>
>
>
>
>>From: David Buchanan <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
>>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>>To: "'moq_discuss@moq.org'" <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>>Subject: RE: MD Statesman?
>>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:19:09 -0600
>>
>>Hey MOQers:
>
>Hey David Buchanan, you are just "parroting" the usual lying slander!
>>
>>Did any of you check out the 'cosmotheism' site?
>
>Or check out the more "objective" Wikipediia article on it with a Google
>search?
>
>It is a racist, neo-nazi organization that calls william pierce "the
>greatest visionary of our time".
>
>No, it isn't any "racist" nor any "neo-nazi" organization, whatsoever.
>
>Cosmotheism is a Classical Pantheist religion that has always been
>slandered by "racist" Jewish-Zionist Supremacists and mostly because the
>late Dr. William L. Pierce had adopted this pantheist religion of
>Cosmotheism for himself, and making himself, indeed, "one of the greatest
>visionaries of our time".
>
>>you may recall that pierce is the author of the THE TURNER DIARYS, the
>>book
>>that inspired Tim McViegh's terrorist attack in Oaklahoma City.
>
>What actually "inspired" Tim McViegh's terrorist attack on the APM Federal
>Building in Oklahoma City, was to exact "revenge" upon the ATF Agents
>housed there that had brutally murdered and that had so burned-up many
>innocent men, women, and children in Waco, Texas, under Janet Reno's
>orders. Tyranny breeds "Domestic Terrorism" just as vile political and
>social injustice in the Mid-East breeds "International Terrorism".
>
>
>
>I mention this to warn you and because Platt could probably use a friend.
>I'm sure his
>>views would be welcome there with open arms. (Yes, I'm having fun again.)
>
>Why would you need to "warn" anyone, except perhaps, only about your own
>lying slander and hypocrisy and bigotry against Classical Pantheism or
>Cosmotheism?
>
>Curious.
>
>Paul Vogel
>http://www.cosmotheism.net
>>
>>dmb
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Vogel [mailto:nitzke@hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:17 PM
>>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>>Cc: nitzke@hotmail.com
>>Subject: Re: MD Statesman?
>>
>>
>>Dear Johnny moral and Marsha,
>>
>>I too had seen Mindwalk, after Dan Glover had suggested it to me, and it
>>was
>>
>>quite excellent!
>>However, I have yet to read the book, "The Turning Point", on which it was
>>based.
>>
>>The four levels of Hierarchy within the MOQ reflects the natural
>>evolutionary movement
>>from the simplicity of the BIG BANG to the complexity of LIFE and
>>CONSCIOUSNESS
>>and HUMAN AWARENESS.
>>
>>A perfect merging of the TRUTH-SEEKING ideals of the physicist, poet, and
>>leader/prophet,
>>can be found within the religion/philosophy of COSMOTHEISM:
>>http://www.cosmotheism,
>>and which is based upon an ancient Classical Pantheism and which is also
>>Pan-Psychic and Teleological in outlook.
>>
>>We Humans and all of LIFE and all of the COSMOS are inter-connected and
>>inter-related
>>within a PROBABLE REALITY of our own Co-CREATION, and within the greater
>>UNITY
>>of the COSMOS as a WHOLE.
>>
>>The MOQ is a useful METAPHYSICAL and MORAL BASIS for the
>>religion/philosophy
>>of COSMOTHEISM, regardless of what some others may selfishly and
>>reactively
>>and
>>subjectively feel about that fact.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Paul Vogel
>>http://www.cosmotheism.net
>>
>>PS-A slandered TRUE COSMOTHEIST that has recently returned here to set the
>>record straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
>> >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>> >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>> >Subject: Re: MD Statesman?
>> >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:26:26 +0000
>> >
>> >Greetings, Marsha,
>> >
>> >>But there's a movie called Mindwalk that deeply moves me... The movie
>>is
>> >>a dialogue between a politician, a physicist, and a poet. It's based
>>on
>> >>Fritjof Capra's book 'Turning Point'. It suggests we look at the
>> >>world/existence as being made of interconnected systems and patterns of
>> >>probability.
>> >
>> >That sounds right on to me, can you tell me more? About the movie, and
>> >also your thoughts on interconnected systems and patterns of
>>probability.
>> >
>> >>I want to keep my mind open to both hierarctical and
>>interconnectedness.
>> >
>> >Maybe it is heirarchical authority you don't like? Or the idea that a
>> >"higher" moral pattern is "more moral" than a "lower" one?
>> >
>> >>P.S. I just reread this email. The contradiction is that I start by
>> >>saying hierarchy is successful, and end by saying it's unsuccessful.
>>I'm
>> >>going to admit the contradiction, and let it stand.
>> >
>> >Bravo! I think there is room for contradictions, being a slave to
>> >presenting a consistent front is stifling. There are so many
>> >interconnected systems, and so many values. It would be very
>>improbable,
>> >actually, for anything to be wholly successful or wholly unsuccessful.
>> >
>> >PS, Gaugin in Tahiti was kind of monotonous, huh? That's what I felt
>> >anyway. I liked his carvings though. Did you see the "junk art"
>>exhibit
>> >downstairs, by Sue Webster and Tim Noble? I really liked that pile of
>>junk
>>
>> >that formed the shadow on the wall of the two men sitting down. And the
>> >cheesy shining dollar sign was impressive to me, too.
>> >
>>
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