From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Jun 19 2004 - 00:05:33 BST
Another interesting thing I read is that male humans have more genes in
common with male chimps than they do with female humans (and vice versa, of
course). And there are lots of genes on the X and Y that are related to
more than just sex organs and hormones, for example the gene for folding
fitted sheets is on the X, I think, whereas the gene for not worrying about
stuff is on the Y. (well,actually they don't know what the genes do, but
they are pretty sure they are active and do things besides shape the sex
organs). They used to think the Y was pretty dead, a victim of the fact
that it withers away by itself while the X is able to evolve do to the fact
that there are two of them. But now they are startng to reevaluate the Y
and think it actually does stuff around the house now and then. That's a
bad development, but nothing we can't handle if we stick together.
And about the difference between variatioins between species and within
species, it ought to be pretty obvious. We can mate with other humans no
matter what their hair color, but can't with chimps even if they have the
same hair color, because we have different SEQUENCES. When Celera mapped
the human genome, it turned out that they used CEO Craig Venter's DNA
exclusively (males have an X and a Y, so they could do that, I guess). The
government team used more people, but not many more. But it doesn't matter,
the sequence would have been the same, no matter what "race" they mapped,
for the same reason that all people can mate no matter what race.
Clearly, when groups stop mating together for long enough times, they
gradually evolve away from each other, first becoming racially distinct,
until at a certain point not only don't they mate, but they can't mate, at
least with fertile offspring.
We have a lot in common with just about every species, it took a huge amount
of evolution to get to the point where a circulatory system could replicate,
and that DNA is shared by just about every species there is. But just as
there are short chimps and tall chimps, there are short people and tall
people, red heads and brunettes, and that is the sort of variation WITHIN a
species that is 94% not correlatable to whatever "race" an individual is
considered. Obviously, some of it is correlatable, such as skin color,
which is associated with some gene somewhere, and a person pretty much has
to have the color of skin their parents had, especially if their parents
were of the same skin color, and their parents were too. It could include
other traits too, even controversial ones like penis size. If you come from
a long line of big penises, you'll probably be one too (i mean have one),
unless you got your mom's side. (It's possible the gene for size of the sex
organ is on some completely different chromosome, at least, that's how I
would have designed it).
The question for Paul Vogel is why does he think there should be no
miscegenation? That's completely indefensible, people should be able to
marry and have children with anyone they fall in love with, and if you ask
me, bringing the "races" back together is a good thing. Inbreeding is the
alternative, and that is scientifically proven to be unhealthy.
Johnny
>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org, owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
>Subject: Re: MD MOQ and Human Variation
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:32:54 -0400
>
>Hi All,
>
>MSH claims:
> > Chimps and humans DO NOT have the same genes, though they do have
> > many genes in common, approximately 98.5%.
>
>Nice thing about the Internet. You can always check someone's "facts."
>
>Reported in Discovery News:
>
>"May 20, 2003 - Chimpanzees share 99.4 percent of functionally important
>DNA with humans and belong in our genus, Homo, according to a recent
>genetic study.
>
>"Previous studies put the genetic similarity between humans and chimps at
>95 to 99 percent, so the new figure suggests chimps and humans are even
>more closely related than previously thought.
>
>"The findings are published in the current Proceedings of the National
>Academy of Sciences."
>
>Check it out at:
>
>http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030519/chimp.html
>
>Best,
>Platt
>
>
>
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