From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sat Jun 19 2004 - 00:59:05 BST
Thanks, Johnny,,, Very funny!
I'm still laughing about the Y chroma and housework, and having vs
being a big prick. Ha!
On your last para, yep. Seems to me miscegenation would only make us
better as a species, not weaker. If we do enough of it, we'll
eventually all be the same color, which would finally rid the world
of racism. But then some hateful sumbitch would figger denim is a
sign of inferiority and go start himself a new religion,
Jeanamosotheism or something.
Best,
MarkSH
On 18 Jun 2004 at 23:05, johnny moral wrote:
Another interesting thing I read is that male humans have more genes
in common with male chimps than they do with female humans (and vice
versa, of course). And there are lots of genes on the X and Y that
are related to more than just sex organs and hormones, for example
the gene for folding fitted sheets is on the X, I think, whereas the
gene for not worrying about stuff is on the Y. (well,actually they
don't know what the genes do, but they are pretty sure they are
active and do things besides shape the sex organs). They used to
think the Y was pretty dead, a victim of the fact that it withers
away by itself while the X is able to evolve do to the fact that
there are two of them. But now they are startng to reevaluate the Y
and think it actually does stuff around the house now and then.
That's a bad development, but nothing we can't handle if we stick
together.
And about the difference between variatioins between species and
within species, it ought to be pretty obvious. We can mate with
other humans no matter what their hair color, but can't with chimps
even if they have the same hair color, because we have different
SEQUENCES. When Celera mapped the human genome, it turned out that
they used CEO Craig Venter's DNA exclusively (males have an X and a
Y, so they could do that, I guess). The government team used more
people, but not many more. But it doesn't matter, the sequence would
have been the same, no matter what "race" they mapped, for the same
reason that all people can mate no matter what race.
Clearly, when groups stop mating together for long enough times, they
gradually evolve away from each other, first becoming racially
distinct, until at a certain point not only don't they mate, but they
can't mate, at least with fertile offspring.
We have a lot in common with just about every species, it took a huge
amount of evolution to get to the point where a circulatory system
could replicate, and that DNA is shared by just about every species
there is. But just as there are short chimps and tall chimps, there
are short people and tall people, red heads and brunettes, and that
is the sort of variation WITHIN a species that is 94% not
correlatable to whatever "race" an individual is considered.
Obviously, some of it is correlatable, such as skin color, which is
associated with some gene somewhere, and a person pretty much has to
have the color of skin their parents had, especially if their parents
were of the same skin color, and their parents were too. It could
include other traits too, even controversial ones like penis size.
If you come from a long line of big penises, you'll probably be one
too (i mean have one), unless you got your mom's side. (It's
possible the gene for size of the sex organ is on some completely
different chromosome, at least, that's how I would have designed it).
The question for Paul Vogel is why does he think there should be no
miscegenation? That's completely indefensible, people should be able
to marry and have children with anyone they fall in love with, and if
you ask me, bringing the "races" back together is a good thing.
Inbreeding is the alternative, and that is scientifically proven to
be unhealthy.
Johnny
>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org, owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
>Subject: Re: MD MOQ and Human Variation
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:32:54 -0400
>
>Hi All,
>
>MSH claims:
> > Chimps and humans DO NOT have the same genes, though they do have
> > many genes in common, approximately 98.5%.
>
>Nice thing about the Internet. You can always check someone's
>"facts."
>
>Reported in Discovery News:
>
>"May 20, 2003 - Chimpanzees share 99.4 percent of functionally
>important DNA with humans and belong in our genus, Homo, according
to
>a recent genetic study.
>
>"Previous studies put the genetic similarity between humans and
>chimps at 95 to 99 percent, so the new figure suggests chimps and
>humans are even more closely related than previously thought.
>
>"The findings are published in the current Proceedings of the
>National Academy of Sciences."
>
>Check it out at:
>
>http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030519/chimp.html
>
>Best,
>Platt
>
>
>
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