Re: MD COSMOTHEISM

From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 21 2004 - 18:59:29 BST

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    >From: Richard Loggins <brloggins@yahoo.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: Re: MD COSMOTHEISM
    >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:56:05 -0700 (PDT)
    >
    >Ant, msh, Paul V,
    >
    > > Ant McWatt comments:
    > > Pirsig goes absolutely down the
    > > political line when discussing blacks in LILA i.e.
    > >
    > > ‘It is not immoral to speak against a person because
    > > of his cultural characteristics if those cultural
    > > characteristics are immoral. These are
    > > changeable and they do matter. Blacks have no right
    > > to violate social codes and call it "racism" when
    > > someone tries to stop them, if those codes are not
    > > racist codes. That is slander.’
    > >
    > > As is clearly apparent, therefore, Pirsig is
    > > courageously dealing with the issue of black
    > > criminality from an impartial view on an
    > > intellectual basis, neither being swayed by
    > > supposedly ‘political correct’ intellectuals nor by
    > > socially-orientated racists.
    >
    >Perhaps he is courageous and impartial, Ant, but I
    >think his emphasis slants toward the opinion that
    >"racism" (the scare quotes are his) is mostly a false
    >charge leveled against whites by blacks. He hints that
    >genuine racism exists, but he doesn't say enough about
    >it to suggest that he aggrees with the part of the AAA
    >statement that, "The tragedy in the United States has
    >been that the policies and practices stemming from
    >this worldview succeeded all too well in constructing
    >unequal populations among Europeans, Native Americans,
    >and peoples of African descent." Instead in Pirsig's
    >view, the tragedy in the United States has been the
    >paralysis caused by racist slander.

    >Since Pirsig addresses the issue of black crime head
    >on but doesn't even mention the effects of systemic
    >racism on blacks themselves, its not too hard to see
    >why bigots like Paul Vogel could find a certain
    >kinship with the socio-political views of my hero,
    >R.M. Pirsig :(

    Another "ad hominem personal attack" by just another actual "bigot"
    foolishly and falsely calling me a "bigot", huh, Rich?

    Rich, I don't consider anyone that just doesn't really have
    the actual "intellectual honesty" nor the actual "moral courage"
    to tell the Whole scientific truth, any real "hero", whatsoever.

    However, given the "social-marxist" and "Politically-correct"
    spirit of the times, this fault of Pirsig's is hardly very surprising. :D

    Best regards,

    Paul Vogel
    http://www.cosmotheism.net

    >Rich
    >
    >
    >
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