From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 22 2004 - 16:58:34 BST
Hi All,
It is clear that Mark Steven Heyman just doesn't mean what he says nor says
what he means.
Didn't he say that in another post of his regarding COSMOTHEISM that it
would be his last?
Quite amusing, and this only shows his own lack of personal integrity nor
ability to refrain
from his malignant narcissistic and "social-marxist" ranting and railing
against the COSMOTHEIST
WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY that bursts his bubble of "Politically-Correct"
Human Equality Dogma.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
>From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD COSMOTHEISM
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:00:33 -0700
>
>Hi Rich,
>
>Don't despair. I agree with Anthony. I think Pirsig comes off on
>the side of grace and goodness on this issue, even though he, given
>his personal history, might more understandably have leaned the
>other way.
>
>It's true that he could have spent some time detailing the effects of
>systemic racism on blacks themselves, but, really, that would have
>been moving considerably away from the book's subject, which is a
>more general inquiry into morals. And what would be the need,
>anyway, since the history of racism is so well known?
>
>Anyway, he's just one man, and Lila is just one book. There's a
>funny video of Chomsky fielding questions from several people, each
>of whom wanted to know why he focused more on the plight of the
>Palestinians than on the Kurds, or Native Americans, or the
>Chechnyans, blah, blah. At first he tries to answer by saying "Well
>I've written a lot about the Kurds..." Then he stops and sighs and
>smiles, and says "Look, I'm not Amnesty International. I'm just one
>guy." The questioners crack up, and the session is over.
>
>Well, Pirsig is just one guy. And I seriously doubt that he would
>find much to disagree with in the AAA statement. Maybe someone
>should send it to him, and see what he says.
>
>Best to all,
>Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
>
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>
>"Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
>everything." -- Henri Poincare'
>
>
>On 21 Jun 2004 at 7:56, Richard Loggins wrote:
>
>Ant, msh, Paul V,
>
> > Ant McWatt comments:
> > Pirsig goes absolutely down the
> > political line when discussing blacks in LILA i.e.
> >
> > ‘It is not immoral to speak against a person because
> > of his cultural characteristics if those cultural
> > characteristics are immoral. These are
> > changeable and they do matter. Blacks have no right
> > to violate social codes and call it "racism" when
> > someone tries to stop them, if those codes are not
> > racist codes. That is slander.’
> >
> > As is clearly apparent, therefore, Pirsig is
> > courageously dealing with the issue of black
> > criminality from an impartial view on an
> > intellectual basis, neither being swayed by
> > supposedly ‘political correct’ intellectuals nor by
> > socially-orientated racists.
>
>Perhaps he is courageous and impartial, Ant, but I
>think his emphasis slants toward the opinion that
>"racism" (the scare quotes are his) is mostly a false
>charge leveled against whites by blacks. He hints that
>genuine racism exists, but he doesn't say enough about
>it to suggest that he aggrees with the part of the AAA
>statement that, "The tragedy in the United States has
>been that the policies and practices stemming from
>this worldview succeeded all too well in constructing
>unequal populations among Europeans, Native Americans,
>and peoples of African descent." Instead in Pirsig's
>view, the tragedy in the United States has been the
>paralysis caused by racist slander.
>
>Since Pirsig addresses the issue of black crime head
>on but doesn't even mention the effects of systemic
>racism on blacks themselves, its not too hard to see
>why bigots like Paul Vogel could find a certain
>kinship with the socio-political views of my hero,
>R.M. Pirsig :(
>Rich
>
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