From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 22 2004 - 17:17:48 BST
Hello All,
As is obvious from the "title" of this thread:
"MD Neo-Nazi Racism and the MOQ go together like peanutbutter and bro ken
glass. Sandwich anyone?"
This is an obvious attempt to slander my religion of COSMOTHEISM or
CLASSICAL PANTHEISM by falsely calling my religious beliefs "Neo-Nazi
Racism", which is just a ad hominem personal attack, although it was sneaky
and "in-direct", it remains one nevertheless.
However, as Platt says below, and then quotes Pirsig, the MOQ considers all
such ad hominem personal attacks as being EVIL:
But I take comfort in the knowledge that when one finds it necessary to
resort to name calling, Pirsig sets him straight:
"To say that a comment is "stupid" is to imply that the person who makes it
is stupid. This is the "ad hominem" argument: meaning, "to the person."
Logically it is irrelevant. If Joe says the sun is shining and you argue
that Joe is insane, or Joe is a Nazi or Joe is stupid, what does this tell
us about the condition of the sun? That the ad hominem argument is
irrelevant is usually all the logic texts say about it, but the MOQ allows
one to go deeper and make what may be an original contribution. It says the
ad hominem argument is a form of evil. The MOQ divides the hominem, or
"individual" into four parts: inorganic, biological, and intellectual. Once
this analysis is made, the ad hominem argument can be defined more clearly:
It is an attempt destroy the intellectual patterns of an individual by
attacking his social status. In other words, a lower form of evolution is
being used to destroy a higher form. That is evil." (Lila's Child, note 140)
Case closed.
Best, Platt
>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org, owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
>Subject: Re: MD Neo-Nazi Racism and the MOQ go together like peanutbutter
>and bro ken glass. Sandwich anyone?
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:01:38 -0400
>
>Hi All,
>
> > On 21 Jun 2004 at 10:35, Platt Holden wrote:
> >
> > Pirsig:
> > "What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that the
> > socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively, have
> > inadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and
> > selling of things. They closed it because the metaphysical structure
> > of their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality exists." (Lila,
> > 17)
> >
> > Platt:
> > To all egalitarians, communitarians and other radical left-wingers
> > who think the MOQ supports their collectivist social values--read it
> > again and weep. Intellect sides with free enterprise.
> >
> > msh says:
> > What Platt doesn't understand is that Pirsig is speaking about a
> > theoretical "Free Market" that doesn't exist.
>
>Nonsense. Pirsig writes:
>
>"People, like everything else, work better in parallel than they do in
>series, and that is what happens in THIS FREE ENTERPRISE CITY. When things
>are organized socialistically in a bureaucratic series, any increase in
>complexity increases the probability of failure. But when they're
>organized in a free-enterprise parallel, an increase in complexity becomes
>an increase in diversity more capable of responding to Dynamic Quality,
>and thus an increase of the probability of success. It's this diversity
>and parallelism that make this city work. And not just this city. Our
>greatest national economic success, agriculture, is organized almost
>entirely in parallel." (Lila, 17) (emphasis added)
>
>By "this free enterprise city" Pirsig is speaking about the existing New
>York, not some theoretical Utopia.
>
>Wouldn't you think that in a site dedicated to Pirsig that contributors
>would actually read what he wrote once in awhile?
>
>Best,
>Platt
>
>
>
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