RE: MD COSMOTHEISM and Chapter 24 of Lila

From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 22 2004 - 15:35:39 BST

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    Hello All,

    More "red-herrings" arguements and leadiing questions from Ant?

    "I’m sure there will be no problem in his providing a link to the recent
    accounts for the Pioneer Fund. As full as possible, please."

    If you are so interested, please go do your own original "research" to find
    out?

    Now, back to Lila and Chapter 24 and how the MOQ defines the problem and
    possible
    solution to fix "The City of Dreadful Night", aka, NYC or the
    Calcutta-on-the-Hudson:

    The following refers to the "intellectuals" of the 1920's that Pirsig was
    talking about
    in Chapter 24 of Lila, that have foolishly chosen biological quality over
    social quality
    values to create a Calcutta-on-the-Hudson, or "City of Dreadful Night", and
    "Disaster"
    in NYC, and which also applies to many other BIG CITIES of the USA, like
    Detroit,
    and throughout the "formerly" WESTERN WORLD:

    Around the time the 1924 victory was won, however, a disaster was occurring
    elsewhere—on the intellectual front. Beginning in the 1920s, the
    intellectual and moral high ground in the debate was increasingly claimed by
    the anti-restrictionists.

    This was made possible largely by the influence of Franz Boas and his school
    of anthropology. The Boasians argued that the only differences among human
    groups are cultural differences, not biological.

    Even in the early 1920s, as I have noted, the restrictionists hesitated to
    use arguments based on ethnic superiority and they were forced continually
    to deny that this was their rationale. In terms of my hypothesis, I have
    argued elsewhere that the Boasian School can be explained in terms of
    evolutionary strategy, as merely another of a series of intellectual
    movements dominated by Jews and aimed at advancing Jewish interests. These
    movements were designed to combat anti-Semitism and to de-legitimize the
    ethnic interests of the European majority of the United States.

    What we are seeing now is the long term consequence of these movements: The
    displacement of the European majority—and an increase in ethnic conflict.

    Since the 1965 law opening up immigration on a large scale to all the
    peoples of the world, the U.S. has become a cauldron of competing racial and
    ethnic interests. Much of the conflict centers immigration and its
    consequences, ranging from Muslim women having unveiled photos on their
    drivers’ licenses to the survival of Christian symbols in public schools.

    This shift to “multiculturalism” has been facilitated by an enormous growth
    of immigration from non-European-derived peoples. Many of these immigrants
    come from non-Western countries where cultural and ethnic segregation are
    the norm. In contemporary America, they are now encouraged by public policy
    to retain their own languages and religions, and may well continue to marry
    within their group.

    The long term result is, inevitably, increased competition and friction
    between groups.

    The idea that there is no biological reality to race inevitably implies that
    there is no such thing as ethnic interests at all. The reality, of course,
    is that race does exist and different races and ethnic groups do have
    different and often competing interests. And, indeed, from an evolutionary
    point of view, ethnic self-interest is not deluded: people have a very large
    genetic interest in defending their ethnic group.

    Other non-Western countries seem to understand this. For example, despite
    what the New York Times says, Japan feels no need to allow a deluge of
    non-Japanese immigrants.

    It’s time to exculpate the 1924 law—a law that succeeded in its aim of
    preserving the ethnic status quo for over 40 years.

    The law did indeed represent the ethnic self-interest of its
    proponents—albeit not “racism,” if racism is properly understood as
    irrational prejudice.

    But the anti-restrictionists also had their own ethnic interests at heart.

    And their subsequent successful counter-attack has unleashed the far
    greater, more savage, and more threatening ethnic competition that we see
    today.

    From: The Culture of Critique

    >From: <ant.mcwatt@ntlworld.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: MD COSMOTHEISM
    >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:48:39 +0000
    >
    >Ant McWatt stated June 19th 2004:
    >
    >As regards J. P. Rushton, it seems that he is pretty typical of the type of
    >racist driven by materially orientated social values as noted in the above
    >AAA article. Moreover, from examining Mark Heyman’s excellent posts on the
    >subject, it seems that Rushton has very low quality credentials to make any
    >scientific comment concerning the relationship between biological value
    >patterns and human behaviour. I also wonder what he’s spending all that
    >“Pioneer Fund” money on.
    >
    >Paul Vogel replied June 21st 2004:
    >
    >
    >Scientific research, mostly?
    >
    >
    >Ant McWatt comments June 22nd 2004:
    >
    >It’s the “leastly” which I’m interested in here. Vogel seems very keen for
    >people to refer to a number of references and internet sources icw
    >cosmotheism so, with his desire to provide as much information as possible
    >in mind, I’m sure there will be no problem in his providing a link to the
    >recent accounts for the Pioneer Fund. As full as possible, please.
    >
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