From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 25 2004 - 02:02:53 BST
Dear MBSJ79@aol.com and All,
You asked:
"Isn't this entire post supposed to be about Quality? Dynamic and static?"
Yes, supposedly, and according to the stated purpose of this "unmoderated"
MOQ
discussion forum.
You asked:
"Moral evolution of static qulaity toward Dynamic whatever you want to call
it?"
Supposedly, ever towards Dynamic Quality.
You asked:
"and >we (or you guys) are sitting there chewing this guy out for having
some sort
>of Dynamic Quality that you static-latchers find unpleasant (i'm not in any
>way trying to insult you)??"
Exactly. Quite hypocritical and anti-MOQ isn't it?
You asked:
"what about the zuni and the brujo Pirsig mentions?
he was a radical, considered at the time extreme."
Indeed, as do ALL those at the "cutting edge" of intellectual Dynamic
Quality!
You said:
"hear the guy out. maybe he
has something to say."
Indeed. You never know what you might actually learn from an "extremist"
brujo. :D
For example:
From: http://www.nationalvanguard.com
Our Enemies Don't Understand Us: Ultimately, That's Good
News/Comment; Posted on: 2004-04-06 11:07:01 [ Printer friendly ]
by Steven E. Romer (pictured)
This chart by professional 'anti-racist' and long-time Marxist Chip Berlet
is a list of 'influences' on the 'racist right,' but as a reader of many
seminal works and of the influential thoughts of the people, groups, and
works listed, the connections given are ALL WRONG. Certainly, to say that
these are where we get our ideas is wrong. This is essentially how a Jew
might see it -- the major intellectual influences as being the 'source' of
our ideas. We are not all so manipulable. Natural experiences in the natural
world over many years is the best influence I can think of. These depicted
and parceled-out "influences" just bring that to the surface. (Actually,
Berlet's chart reminds me of nothing so much as the bizarre 'roots of the
conspiracy' charts put out by marginal right-wing groups, purporting to
schematicize all our social problems as having roots in the Illuminati or
'the antichrist' or the Pope or something of the sort. There must be a
psychological parallel between dogmatic Marxism and dogmatic religious
rightism. -- K.A.S.)
Remember always that in every case cited in Berlet's chart, someone wrote
those influential works based on perceived TRUTH, not some Jewish-cunning
scheme to bamboozle people into 'doing what we want.' Jews are motivated by
plain power, survival, and pleasure foremost. They might indeed see things
as a strategy game amenable to some linear flow-chart. White Europeans are
motivated by truth, beauty, and justice based on actual holistic truth --
not some book of rules, or some complex philosophical statement of how they
(Jews) would like the world to be.
ILLUSTRATION: Chip Berlet, a Communist who heads an "anti-racist"
fundraising group called "Political Research Associates," and who is
regularly cited by the Jewish media as an "expert" on the politics of race.
We Whites invented science because we wanted to know how the world actually
was APART from our own desires and biases. The reason Jews are so concerned
with rules is because being a migratory, nomadic people that lives in many
different cultures, they need to adapt to any rules they encounter, at least
on the surface. They must see rules as supreme without delving into their
ultimate basis or origin. The latter kind of inquiry is for rooted peoples
only. The Jews must see this as a chess game in which cunning manipulation
can counter our own attempts at "manipulation" (as they see it). They see
our own truth-seeking, and the protection of our best truth-seekers, as a
scam designed to uphold our power hierarchies -- because that is what all
intellectualizing is to them.
They are only trying to uphold their power in whatever civilization they
might invade. What a fine mess this causes when we mix with them! They hate
the caste system of India, they hate the capitalist pigs, they hate kings,
they hate the "old boy network," they hate upper-class "exploitation," they
hate genetics because it can reveal the true inequalities among men, etc.,
ad infinitum. They end up destroying something they do not even understand
because they cannot help but do it. They do not have the genetic makeup to
authentically support our rooted, truthful, just systems. Moreover, they
cannot see the larger patterns in these things -- just as most of us cannot
see what the Jews are doing when they manipulate the "gullible goyim." We
cannot see the larger patterns in their manipulation strategies; we cannot
see their true motives. Here we have the basic reason why we MUST be
separated from the Jews. We have no other choice.
The same kinds of arguments apply to the Blacks, because they see things
differently too. Blacks do not try to out-intellectualize and confuse us
like the Jews, but they do tirelessly appeal to our sympathies, guilt,
fears, sense of justice, etc., to get what they want -- when these emotions
ought to be reserved naturally for the preservation of our own kind and our
own unique culture.
Our ingrained sense of truth and justice sustains a peaceful civilization.
THESE kinds of considerations are MUCH greater influences on the movement
for White renewal -- not some chain of lurid writings or charismatic
speakers. The TRUTH is the greatest influence. The more you learn, the more
you think, the more you realize what is important. How can you depict THAT
on some simple chart with arrows on one sheet of paper? They totally left
out our unique world views and motives -- the inner life which is genetic
and builds our world around us.
These kinds of fundamental differences, naturally, are completely
incompatible. We can never have peace without being able to follow our own
hearts unmolested by the relatively new overall patterns and vectors of the
Jews. Their influences on US should be put into a chart -- but it would also
be a list of symptoms of our genetic differences as manifested in our very
different viewpoints, behavioral vectors, and natural propensities.
Mr. Romer is a behavioral neuroscientist and is the author of The Textbook
of the Universe: The Genetic Ascent to God.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
>From: MBSJ79@aol.com
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: MD immoral irony
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:06:51 EDT
>
>Isn't this entire post supposed to be about Quality? Dynamic and static?
>Moral evolution of static qulaity toward Dynamic whatever you want to call
>it? and
>we (or you guys) are sitting there chewing this guy out for having some
>sort
>of Dynamic Quality that you static-latchers find unpleasant (i'm not in any
>way trying to insult you)?? what about the zuni and the brujo Pirsig
>mentions?
>he was a radical, considered at the time extreme. hear the guy out. maybe
>he
>has something to say.
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