From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Jun 26 2004 - 13:25:14 BST
Hi all
Has anyone ever come across a racist who
also admits that they are a member of one of the inferior races?
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: MD The Final Cut
> Hi Dan and Rich,
>
> There's actually a fourth way to deal with such a person, which is a
> combination of Rich's 2 and 3: Argue with him in a
> reasoned, respectful manner till you've proved his ideas are racist,
> then denounce him and his ideas by calling them what they are.
>
> This is the method I used, though I can certainly understand Rich's
> POV. Still, as Dan has pointed out, my argument was a waste of time
> and energy. If you look at his response to my last series of
> questions, you'll see that not only has he not budged an iota, but he
> feels quite comfortable in suggesting that the separate and not even
> equal perspective within his "church" is not at all racist. So...
> there ya go.
>
> Anyway, I'm taking Dan's advice. The guy and his hate seem happy
> together, so I'll leave him alone with his hate.
>
> Best to all,
> Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
>
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>
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2004 at 12:39, Dan Glover wrote:
>
> Hello everyone
>
> >From: Richard Loggins <brloggins@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> >Subject: Re: MD The Final Cut
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >- I should explain that there are three approaches to
> >a guy like Paul V, 1)ignore him which is a tacit
> >condoning of his views, 2)argue with him in a
> >reasoned, respectful manner which gives the impression
> >that his views are equally respectable or legitamite,
> >or 3)denounce him and his ideas by calling him names
> >like bigot. I chose the last route because if there
> >ever was an appropriate time for ad hominem attacks,
> >this is it.
>
> Hi Rich
>
> I think I disagree that to ignore someone is a tacit condoning of his
> views. By acknowledging someone who is spewing hate you give them a
> platform upon which they can climb in order to spew their vile ever
> farther. You're not going to change a person's mind when their views
> are extreme to begin with so there's no reason to argue with them.
> And what possible difference are you going to make by calling them
> names? Odds are they've already been called that and worse. Besides,
> that's what they want!
>
> I don't think this subject comes up in ZMM or LILA but during my work
> on LILA'S CHILD I got the impression that Robert Pirsig's Subjects,
> Objects, Data and Values presentation fell upon deaf ears. I had the
> opportunity to ask Mr. Pirsig if he would use a different approach in
> the future. He said he thought it best to leave them (his audience)
> alone with their paradoxes. I think it's best to leave someone alone
> with their hate.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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