From: Horse (horse@darkstar.uk.net)
Date: Mon Jun 28 2004 - 01:05:47 BST
Hi Platt
I'm glad to see you're coming around to Chomsky's way of thinking :)
I don't think that DMB is saying I should censor dangerous ideas - just the opposite in
fact given his other posts. My point here though is that discussions about a subject
should be related to the MoQ so while I support free speech and freedom of expression
in general, if it isn't related to the MoQ then it has no place on an MoQ oriented forum. I
don't want to censor anything that's related to the MoQ - dangerous or otherwise.
All members should feel free to discuss anything relevant to the MoQ in a reasoned and
non-abusive fashion. And that's what I want to emphasize.
Folks, I don't want anyone to feel that they should watch what they say or try not to
offend others in any way because I realize this isn't going to happen. This is philosophy
for gawd's sake and lives are at risk :)
All I'm asking for is a little tolerance and patience because without these it's just going to
be a gigantic slanging match which, in the end, will achieve nothing of value.
Cheers
Horse
On 27 Jun 2004 at 8:27, Platt Holden wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> > Horse asked:
> > Considering Vogels posts and his alliance with cosmotheism I think it is
> > quite reasonable to label him as a racist. Considering that racism is
> > prejudice and/or bigotry based on skin colour could you point out any
> > instances where this applies to Platt.
> >
> > dmb replies:
> > Sure. And if I hadn't just cleaned out my e-mail box, I'd provide snippets,
> > quotes and such. In any case, the two examples that leap to mind would be
> > Platt's advocacy of E.O. Wilson, who has been accused by many of his
> > critics and who in fact "sponsored" Rushton for publication in an article.
> > There is his advocacy of the Bell Curve. The connections between that book
> > and Vogel's friends down at the Pioneer fund have already been well
> > detailed by Mark Heyman. Less recently he's pushed Charles Murray's other
> > book, "Human Accomplishment", which also tries to show the innate
> > superiority of white culture. In fact the very research method used for
> > that book, historiometry, was first brought in vogue by a 19th century
> > eugenicist.
> >
> > And that's just the Plattisms I can recall off the top of my head. No, I'm
> > not just hurling insults. I'm trying to expose bogus views as such. If I
> > seem a little too eager to attack Platt's racist mentors its only because
> > the "ideas" they espouse are so very dangerous. At the risk of seeming to
> > be overly dramatic, I'd like to remind you that millions have been murdered
> > over these kinds of racist views - and it's very likely that some more will
> > be murdered today.
>
> Is DMB suggesting that Horse censor "dangerous ideas" from this site?
> Perhaps a few cautions are in order:
>
> "Censorship always protects and perpetuates every horror of the prevailing
> forms of oppression. With us, its subtle disguises increase its evils by
> creating delusions of safety, liberty and democracy. It precludes that
> intelligence which is necessary to hasten wholesome and natural social
> evolution." -- Theodore Schroeder
>
> "Thus if the First Amendment means anything in this field, it must allow
> protests even against the moral code that the standard of the day sets for
> the community. In other words, literature should not be suppressed merely
> because it offends the moral code of the censor." -- William O. Douglas
>
> "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we
> don't believe in it at all." -- Noam Chomsky
>
> Best,
> Platt
>
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