From: Arlo J. Bensinger (ajb102@psu.edu)
Date: Mon Jun 28 2004 - 22:47:17 BST
Thanks for your reply Gav,
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:33:52 +1000, =?iso-8859-1?q?gav?= wrote:
>however as pirsig makes
> clear in ZAMM, the alienation implicit in (most) jobs
> is actually a symptom of a deeper metaphysical
> alienation : SOM.
>
Yes, you are correct. I hope this is not nitpickery, but even certainly
described as a result of a SO duality, it seems to me still that (in ZMM) the
deathforce has become most pronounced (if you will) since mass production. That
is, even though the SO duality ruled the west since Aristotle, the schism
Pirsig wrote of seemed to be centered in the post-Fordist era. So even though
Pirsig's alienation was the result of Aristotle's ghost echoing through the
generations (to use some poeticism), I find his analysis indicating the 50's
(i.e. a recent era of mass production) were a time when this alientation became
critical. Thus, he is able to lament the simple change in attitude among
mechanics over one (possible) two recent generations, that seems to be a direct
result of alientating the activity from the product of labor.
Do you think this is a fair observation?
> > As you can tell, I have many leanings towards
> > certain of Marx's ideas. But I
> > also disagree with him on many others. Your thoughts
> > on these two ideas are
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Arlo
>
> no worries
> gav
:-) Thanks! Arlo
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