From: gav (gav_gc@yahoo.com.au)
Date: Tue Jun 29 2004 - 10:11:03 BST
yes i agree arlo, pirsig centred on the decline of
craft in the post-ford era.
remember also that even though the marketplace is a
social pattern (and as such needs to be regulated by
intellectual patterns sometimes) it is open to dynamic
quality: ie it is a source of novelty and innovation,
which is something *strictly* planned economies
missed. this is why Platt is right when he points out
the superiority of market economies over stagnant
planned economies; but it also right to say that
sustainable and relatively equitable allocation of
resources is more important than the unfettered rule
of market forces. there is no contradiction here. in
SOM maybe there is but in MOQ these are complementary
statements.
--- "Arlo J. Bensinger" <ajb102@psu.edu> wrote: >
Thanks for your reply Gav,
>
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:33:52 +1000,
> =?iso-8859-1?q?gav?= wrote:
>
> >however as pirsig makes
> > clear in ZAMM, the alienation implicit in (most)
> jobs
> > is actually a symptom of a deeper metaphysical
> > alienation : SOM.
> >
>
> Yes, you are correct. I hope this is not nitpickery,
> but even certainly
> described as a result of a SO duality, it seems to
> me still that (in ZMM) the
> deathforce has become most pronounced (if you will)
> since mass production. That
> is, even though the SO duality ruled the west since
> Aristotle, the schism
> Pirsig wrote of seemed to be centered in the
> post-Fordist era. So even though
> Pirsig's alienation was the result of Aristotle's
> ghost echoing through the
> generations (to use some poeticism), I find his
> analysis indicating the 50's
> (i.e. a recent era of mass production) were a time
> when this alientation became
> critical. Thus, he is able to lament the simple
> change in attitude among
> mechanics over one (possible) two recent
> generations, that seems to be a direct
> result of alientating the activity from the product
> of labor.
>
> Do you think this is a fair observation?
>
> > > As you can tell, I have many leanings towards
> > > certain of Marx's ideas. But I
> > > also disagree with him on many others. Your
> thoughts
> > > on these two ideas are
> > > greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Arlo
> >
> > no worries
> > gav
>
> :-) Thanks! Arlo
>
>
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