From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Jul 10 2004 - 20:12:10 BST
Hello everyone
>From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: [Spam] Re: MD the metaphysics of free-enterprise
>Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:57:32 -0700
>
>On 10 Jul 2004 at 2:02, Dan Glover wrote:
>Hi Arlo
>
>Rather than complaining that others aren't reading your posts,
>perhaps you should spend a little more time digesting the posts
>yourself. The story of Buckminster Fuller wasn't meant to evoke
>sorrow or pity for the man because he didn't make money. The point I
>meant to make is that no business can survive without earning a
>profit. I don't care if it's United Airlines or Mom and Pops Donut
>Hut. That is what business is about!
>
>
>msh butts in:
>Dan, no one is denying that a bussiness must make money to stay in
>business. That would be silly and, here, is an obvious straw man.
Hi Mark
I find it rather silly too. So we agree the priority of any for profit
business is to make money.
>
>The question is, how much profit, and at what actual cost to other
>individuals, communities, environments. In other words, what is the
>net result in Quality for all.
Back to the example of MRS (Mythical Restoration Services) I had thought
everyone would find it immoral and downright illegal to use undocumented
workers to perform the work. It'is against the law! Such a practice allows
the business owner to make a greater profit than a business that follows the
law and hires only documented employees even though the wages for such
workers must be higher and consequently the job quotations must also be
higher. If the business owner doesn't care to follow the law of the land
then why should they care about the individual, the community or the
environment?
In addition, where is the equal playing field that Robert Pirsig talks
about? Isn't that what the law is supposed to maintain?
>
>The broader issue, from a MOQ perspective, is whether or not
>unrestricted "free-enterprise" is the highest Quality way or
>organizing any community's economy.
I don't think anyone is talking about unrestricted free enterprise. There
must be a level playing field though.
Thank you for your comments,
Dan
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