From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Jul 13 2004 - 14:02:15 BST
Hi David M,
> This loss of self-awareness is important stuff.
> Somehow we can become absorbed into the world
> we are experiencing. This seems to me to be about
> getting outside of SOM. Let's remember
> that quality=experience=reality. So here we are
> experiencing the world. If we do not draw any lines
> between subject and object where can we say
> consciousness is located? In the brain? This would
> be an SOM mistake. When we hit the perfect tennis shot
> we are completely at one with the elements of the world.
> We know what the ball will do as soon as we hit it.
> Or we see the football tackle coming and we perfectly
> step out of the way. Carl Jung spoke of enjoying a beautiful
> view so much that he felt he was absorbed into the landscape.
> And when we simply 'see' we do not think of the view as being in our
> heads, the world is 'simply there', so that we are experiencing the world
> not in our heads but in the world, 'out there'. As I said
> reality=experience. So experience is therefore a coming together into a
> space/clearing/consciousness of at least Man and World but most often
> Man/Language/Being as Heidegger describes it. Experience is only possible
> when there is a world to experience. What is a person? What is it to be a
> person? It is not to be a body, rather it is to be the experience of
> 'knowing a world'. If you had a body and no world you would be nothing like
> the reality that we call a human being. Getting any Heidegger read Anthony,
> you should?
A nice description of what Maslow named the "peak experience." It's the
experience we have when overwhelmed by Dynamic Quality. I feel DQ
most often in experiences of beauty, like Jung. But it can occur on a
football field, too. It happened to me once in that setting.
I agree with DMB, however, that the idea of "coherence" and it's attendant
long-winded explanations don't add much to the understanding of the MOQ
(not that I fully understand the MOQ myself).
In any case, thanks for a well-honed summary of the non-dual experience.
Best,
Platt
> regards
> David M
>
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