From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Mon Jul 19 2004 - 14:06:10 BST
cont...
> >help it
> >Dan, that's the way i think these days.
>
>Dan:
>That's ok. This too shall pass. Remember: "If he does really stick to
>symbols that have no reference to the experienced world, the logician is
>not
\>going to say anything meaningful." (Robert Pirsig, Copleston annotations)
>
>Mark 18c-7-04: I don't understand what you mean by, "That's ok. This too
>shall pass."
Just what it means. All thinking is temporal.
>
>Dan:
>The
>MOQ starts with experience. The meaningful act of experience isn't divided
>up into a bunch of sq and a bunch of sq, that all happens later. Aren't you
>just substituting sq/sq for subject and object, by the way?
>
>Mark 18c-7-04: I'm getting that sinking feeling one gets when one begins to
>realise that one is talking to oneself Dan. Coherence takes into account
>all sq
>patterns in the MOQ, just as the MOQ describes all sq patterns and adds DQ
>to
>the whole show.
Yes so you're talking to yourself, but what has that to do with describing
experience in meaningful terms?
Mark 19-7-04: See for yourself.
>
>Dan:
>Sure reads that
>way to me.
>
>Mark 18c-7-04: Maybe you want it to read that way Dan?
>
Entirely possible. I thought you'd like to know how you're coming across. No
insult meant.
Mark 19-7-04: Non taken friend.
>Dan:
>You might want to look into getting that fixed before it gets
>worse. There is no "I" hitting a "golf ball." There is just the act, the
>experience. Afterwards I intellectually divide the act up into "me" as
>static quality and the golf ball as static quality.
>
>Mark 18c-7-04: In order to communicate with you i have to use our common
>language. This language is as it is. However, i rather hoped you would
>understand
>the underlying philosophy behind the language is MOQ driven.
>Does Lila not use the same language you and i are using now Dan?
>Hypothetical example: Mark uses the word, 'material.' Mark understands
>material as, 'Inorganic patterns of sq.' Dan clobbers Mark for SOM speak
>and
>dividing experience into subjects and (material) objects.
Actually I believe Mark might have started the SOM clobbering, your honor.
Just letting him know how it feels by poking back with a little fun. Perhaps
now that all the alpha-male SOM intellectual arm wrestling is out of the way
we can embark on a more rewarding dialogue. Or perhaps not, as the case may
be.
Mark 19-7-04: I'm at your service Dan. My aim is to help in any way my
limited resources allow. If i confuse more than help then it's time for me to be
moseying on down the trail. ;)
>
>Dan:
>Thank you for your comments,
>
>Dan
>
>Mark 18c-7-04: And thank you for your comments also.
You're welcome. Thank you too,
Dan
Mark 19-7-04: Thanks Dan.
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