From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 18:46:38 BST
Hi Mel
That's great, I think we pushed past some
low level misunderstandings there.
Yes the individual is the locus of
choice/morality/fereedom... but under
SOM the individual fails to realise this
and accepts all kinds of dualisms in
an off-blance form (weighted to one of the polls)
and has no idea how truly free they are.
But society has set up all kinds of restrictions
and disincentives for the individual to act freely.
We await the breakout from the cave......
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "ml" <mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: MD the metaphysics of free-enterprise
> David M:
>
> A teacher of mine once said that the problem
> in trying to think of an alternative to what one
> knows is the inability to forget what what one
> knows.
>
> This is a manifold difficulty in a situation like
> we have in this MoQ discussion group. You
> have your assumptions and implicit values
> that are attributes of those assumptions. I
> do as well and just the act of trying to agree,
> let alone debate, is fraught with a minefield
> of hidden ideological, political, academic,
> and other unidentified deadfalls. Any of us
> by ourselves is apt to not recognize these in
> our own thinking. Between any two this effect
> is multiplied. (This is why many threads seem
> to degenerate into ideological debates that
> depart from a more seemly and pure MoQ
> discussion.)
>
> In many ways, the MoQ is in its infancy and
> is far less compelling for the lack of rigor and
> depth/length of debate that it will have to show
> as its experience in say 20 years. We are just
> getting familiar with each other's terminology
> and misreading meaning and intent is a very
> turbulent loss of efficiency.
>
> Specifically, David, in our small exchange I
> have only one point to make which is that in
> the actions of the individual is the very most
> significant and moral choice to be made.
>
> To put it another way. My choices carry moral
> responsibility regardless of what organization
> I find myself working with and within.
>
> Otherwise, I acted unwisely in addressing what
> I believed were implicit value laden attitudes
> and terms in your posts without my making the
> differences in our respective uses EXPLICIT.
> My apologies for so doing.
>
> As to you statement that I "...have no idea what
> sort of limited life/society [I am] currently living
> in...[and I ] ...appear to have no idea of the scale
> of things [you are] talking about or what the difference
> between the current world, utterly grounded in
> SOM, could be compaed [sic] to another grounded in
> MOQ and open to a whole new level of freedom.
> Well that is obviously true, but then I believe that is
> true for nearly everyone. We've had little more than
> a teasing glimpse and we are playing with it every day.
>
> Read everything for several meanings...
>
> thanks--mel
>
>
>
>
>
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