Re: MD the metaphysics of self-interest

From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 23 2004 - 19:05:09 BST

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    Hello everyone

    >From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Subject: Re: MD the metaphysics of self-interest
    >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:21:08 +0100
    >
    >Paul:
    >Agree, I think instinct is easily confused with Dynamic Quality and I'm
    >not sure where to draw a line between the two.
    >
    >DM: Instinct implies same again, repetition, DQ gives us something new out
    >of nothing, agree? I also agree quality has to be sensed, but can we expand
    >upon our senses?

    Hi Paul and David

    To be sure what we're talking about I ran a "define: instinct" Google
    search. I'll list a few of the web definitions here:

    1. Behaviours which do not need to be learned.

    2. Inborn pattern of behavior often responsive to specific stimuli.

    3. Instincts are not actually a form of knowledge, although the effect is
    the same. Knowledge is the product of a mental process. Instincts bypass
    this entirely.

    I believe the MOQ would disagree with #3. Instincts are a biological form of
    knowledge. That's why the effect is the same. Intellectual knowledge is the
    product of mental processes. Instinct is the product of biological
    processes.

    Dynamic Quality is impossible to pin down into definition but "every time
    you discover for the first time that something is better than something
    else, that is where Dynamic Quality exists." (Robert Pirsig's letter to
    Anthony McWatt, Feb. 23, 1998)

    I think the key word here is "discover" and how it's defined. When we
    discover new things through our senses then we're talking about biological
    level patterns of value. Instincts fall into this category I should think.
    When we discover new ideas, we're talking about intellectual patterns of
    value. So it seems to me that "discovery" is a Dynamic process both on the
    biological level and on the intellectual level. Perhaps there's a line to be
    drawn between the order represented by static patterns of value and the
    freedom afforded by the discovery of Dynamic Quality.

    As to David's question: can we expand upon our senses?

    I would say that's what scientific instruments do.

    Thank you for your comments,

    Dan

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