RE: MD Anti-theism in the MOQ

From: Chuck Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Mon Jul 26 2004 - 21:33:18 BST

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    Hello all:

    I'm enjoying this and I couldn't leave it alone.

    Speaking of obvious, isn't it obvious that God is Santa Clause for adults?
    Having said that, let me say this: society needs Santa. Santa exists, if
    only in the minds of children; Santa exists and motivates said children to
    behave. In the absence of Santa, some will behave because they're good kids
    and some will cram M-80's up the cat's rectum.

    So, while I firmly believe there is no Santa (I see no real evidence to the
    contrary), I conduct myself in a civil manner, even though he won't be there
    Christmas Eve to reward my good behaviour with goodies and gifts. I behave
    myself for the same reason I'm glad most children still believe in Santa: at
    the very least, exploding cats are messy and disconcerting.

    When Nietzsche expressed the famous "God is dead," he was lamenting the
    proliferation of exploding cats, not celebrating atheism.

    Also belief in God is not necessary to experience religion or mysticism, so
    why can't the MOQ be religious and mystical and atheistic?

    Best regards,

    Chuck

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
    On Behalf Of David Morey
    Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:10 AM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: Re: MD Anti-theism in the MOQ

    "I think Paul's assertion that "the MOQ is an atheistic system" goes too
    far. (According to our dear friend, Mr. Webster, "atheism" denies the
    existence of any kind of God or deity, not just "the usual,
    anthropomorphic" kind.) Since, in the MOQ, DQ is associated so closely
    with religious mysticism, it can't rightly be called an atheistic
    system." Date: Sun Feb 15 2004 - 18:49:18 GMT

    I think you now have the context in which to understand my statement
    that the MOQ is an atheistic system.

    Hi guys

    To me it is obvious that alot of the talk about
    god is bad stuff and needs dropping, but clearly
    some of the stuff about god was clearly about
    what we now call quality or DQ. So it was not all
    bad and some of it may be useful. Anyone disagree?#
    Calling this simply atheism is misleading I feel, because
    the MOQ is all about trying to rediscover our values and
    religion at its best had better values than nihlistic secularism
    I feel.

    regards
    David M

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