RE: MD the metaphysics of free-enterprise

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 2004 - 20:48:44 BST

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    This looks like people are getting caught in the confusion between the
    consciousness/mind/intellect and the intellectual level.

    All patterns of every level exist as ideas or consciousness, they are what
    create consciousness and ideas, and are in turn carried forward by the
    consciousness. But though every pattern is an idea, not all ideas are
    fourth level ideas. Only those that describe the interaction of third level
    patterns are fourth level ("inter-social" would be a better name for the
    fourth level - we call people that notice how social patterns interact
    "intellectuals", but they are not the only people who use their intellect).
    So, in Paul's question below, yes, an individual biological organism
    experiences the world, and society is defined by the relationships between
    different individual people, and all of these are experienced within
    consciousnesses, indivually, as ideas. But that doesn't make them 4th
    level, intellectual patterns, since they don't describe the expected
    interactions of social patterns.

    >From: "Paul Turner" <paul@turnerbc.co.uk>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Subject: RE: MD the metaphysics of free-enterprise
    >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:54:50 +0100
    >
    >Hi David
    >
    >David said:
    >The world-individual dualism appears on 4th level together and
    >inseperably.
    >
    >Paul:
    >And exclusively? Does an individual biological organism not experience
    >the world? Is a society not defined by the relationships between
    >different individual people?
    >
    >David said:
    >In the context of this duality the gap/clearing emerges into which
    >pours/becomes intellectual creations moving from DQ to SQ.
    >
    >Paul:
    >Can this "gap/clearing" be readily experienced? What does it feel like?
    >
    >David said:
    >The intellectual patterns are characterised in the space between
    >language/individual/world.
    >Make any sense.
    >
    >Paul:
    >Not really. Heidegger?
    >
    >Cheers
    >
    >Paul
    >
    >
    >
    >
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