From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Jul 29 2004 - 15:55:29 BST
Hi Johnny,
> Platt to Paul: To focus on intellect without acknowledging the individual
> is like putting the cart before the horse, or more appropriately, to
> eliminate the vital role of the horse altogether....While you emphasize the
> transcendent nature of of successful intellectual patterns, I emphasize the
> originator or creator of such patterns.
J:
> Isn't the orignator Quality?
P:
Origination requires two to tango--DQ and a static pattern capable of
responding to it.
J:
And doesn't the individual have the same role
> for patterns of every level?
P:
No. "And beyond that is an even more compelling reason; societies and
thoughts and principles themselves are no more than sets of static
patterns. These patterns can't by themselves perceive or adjust to Dynamic
Quality. Only a living being can do that." (Lila, 13)
> Platt to Paul: Your "life of their own" remark suggests Richard Dawkin's
> "memes."
J:
> Yes, patterns are like memes. Do you not like memes?
P:
Yes, I do not like memes. "Meme" is just another word for "idea." Not all
patterns are ideas. Some patterns, like Beethoven's Fifth symphony,
transcend ideas.
J:
> Do you feel that an individual could come up with an intellectual pattern
> from out of the blue? I mean, how come no one invented the jet airplane in
> the bronze age? Why did the propellor plane have to be invented first? Do
> you see how the jet plane sort of came to its own fruition, that the
> inventors of it were just in the right place at the right time to bring it
> together? Not to take anything away from them or their genius and
> inspiration, their genius and inspiration is theirs and they deserve the
> glory and rewards, but the idea just landed on them because they wre at the
> confluence of patterns that added up to the new idea. That's why the
> Wright Brothers invented the airplane and Edison the light bulb, and not
> the other way around.
P:
So a confluence of static patterns magically adds up to a new idea? No
individual mind needed? No individual effort required? No role for DQ?
All just a matter of luck? Is that what you think?
Platt
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