Dan, Rog
Rog
> >We don't experience DQ. DQ is experience, including that experience of
> >deriving and dividing this experience into that which is interpreted as the
> >self, or the voluntary self, or the song.
> >
> >Similar, but different.....
Dan
> Hi Roger
>
> Yes, similar but different...but I fail to find references in Lila that
> support your thesis pertaining to Dynamic Quality being experience. If you
> have time, could you provide a few pertinent quotes to chew on so we can see
> how they taste?
>
3WD
I sort of agree with Roger's inversion of, "We don't experience DQ. DQ
is experience" but would expand it to "We don't experience Quality,
Quality is experience" Which is what Pirsig as much as says in these quotes:
" With the identification of static and Dynamic Quality as the
fundamental division of the world....the Metaphysics of Quality now
covered the spectrum of experience from primitive mysticism to quantum
mechanics." Lila-pp 120
"Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in
which we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order,
preserve our world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive
without the other." pg. 143
That being said if experience is always "now" these quotes could be
interpreted as Rog does:
"Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the
source of all things, completely simple and always new." Lila pg. 133
" Dynamic Quality is a stream of quality events going on for ever and
ever, always the cutting edge of the present. But in the wake of this
cutting edge are static patterns of value. These are memories, customs
and patterns of nature. The reason there is a difference between
individidual evaluations of quality is that although Dynamic Quality is
constant, these static patterns are different for everyone because each
person has a different static pattern of life history. Both the Dynamic
Quality and the static patterns influence his final judgement. That is
why their is some uniformity among individual value judgements but not
complete uniformity." SODV pp 12-13
I'm starting to come to the position that "the split" is not really a
split at all. That the stable patterns and the dynamic stream are both
simutaneously present and experienced. And just how they both are
experienced is in part dependent upon the experiencer.
3WD
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