Hello, this is the first time i write here, im a new member and im just
gonna put down some thougts that has occured since I read ZAMM and Lila. Why
did Pirsig start with all this from the beginning? What drove him from the
absolute first start to start this big examination of everything? What is it
that makes some people really dig in to things and some people just follows
the allready-made track? He describes Phaedrus as really manic and obsessed
in solving this giant puzzle, and it really seems like an obsession. There's
genetic proof that some people need kicks more than others, but some people
shoot heroin and some people climb mountains, and discovering all this is
obviously a big fat kick for Pirsig. Is it a holy goal in purpose to make
the world better? It seems like some sort of external gift in many ways,
like he was choosen or something. He talks about "contrarians" and what
makes one? It has been said often that when a human experience a trauma or
some powerful experience she starts to think and reflect more active, theres
a lot of people who can say exactly in which minute they felt they were no
longer children, and this is actually when they started to reflect in a way
when the world no longer just centered around the "self". Some people seems
to stop and stagnating in a biological pattern, and i believe its generally
society-class related. The people i grew up with was typical working class
and they talked in a biological pattern way, now they seem primitive when i
bump into them cause they've seemed to got stuck somewhere, and then there's
people who are coming from a very basic, non-sophisticated culture, and have
no chances to make it it seems, but then they just keeps evolving and you
get all astonished and impressed how far they go in theirs minds. To make a
summary: why do some people become contrarians and others dont? And why
creates some contrarians so much of their experiences like Pirsig, and
others just continue being contrarians without making something of it?
When I go to apply for a job the won't ask me what kind of meal is my
favorite, but when you were a kid that was a pretty common question. The
person that interviews me for the job wants to know my intellectual skills,
but also my skills to adjust and function in a social net; the place where
the work is performed where other people work. Why do most of the people
love animals or little children? Because they are straight natural and there
seems to be someting really clean and undestryed about them, when they feel
bad, they show it, when they are happy they show it, there aren't any
complex social codes you have to know about when you hang out with a dog or
your sisters 3-year old child. A lot of people in every generation in a
welfare society feel when they are young that "oh no, aint gonna do what my
parents did and I aint gonna get married and have a dog, house and two
children". But in most cases they do turn up like that anyway, they have
become a static pattern, and in the 40-ies they ask themselves "is this
really what I wanted and did i not fail and gave up upon my ambitions and
ideas" and some of them will maybesay that they were young and naive and
going back to have a circular life again, very few will actually do someting
Dynamic about their situation, maybe they'll start going to gyms and those
sun-machine-tans. But every now and then, one or two people just wake up and
really get going with something new. hm, that expression that sometimes
theres a man whos just right in time, right in place with everything, who
has an idea and then spread it and everybody think it just sounds great and
applies it to there own lifes, what makes some ideas just so time-right and
perfect and "this is our common goal". I live in Sweden and everything just
seems so splitted up, nothing is united, theres just a lot of subcultures
thats floating around and lasts a couple of months and then pooof they are
gone. theres no generation issue in the same way like when my parents grew
up in the 70's. maybe its just welfare tristessa. and maybe im completely
off the road with this ive written, but i need response so write!
/Hugo
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