MD MOQ and solipsism

From: Patrick van den Berg (cirandar@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Jan 28 2002 - 14:44:34 GMT


Hi all,

There's a problem that occured to me while reading the "Truth and
Reality" thread. Our man Pirsig was quoted saying that there's truth
every time you judge a painting. Quality is truth, but it's dynamic with
static qualities under it. Quality seems to Pirsig to be intuitive, pure
experience. I remember when I read Lila (too) long ago, that he steered
away with his MOQ from the ravine of solipsism (the philosophy that you
can only know your own experience) by indicating that in solipsism, the
subject-object distinction is already made, and this distinction,
according to the MOQ, is artificial. That makes sense to me, but I'm
still not convinced that the MOQ avoids solipsism.

If one equates DQ, the source (before the S-O-split), with experience
being the sole reality, than truth is one (not many). Hm... now I'm
trying to formulate the problem I notice I'm reasoning from a SOM
perspective (which is, I state, for us non-enlightened people where
we're in for 99.97% of our existence!): The thing is that I see it as
evident that there are a lot more islands of experience 'out there',
which all have DQ as their source and nearly all of them then make the
S-O-split... but I now see I'm already making distinctions and am thus
reasoning with static qualities; that is, away from the Source-DQ.

Hm... there seem to be enlightened people out there who state that what
they are is the basis of the universe itself, or something like that.
But how can one deny that those INDIVIDUALS have had Zazen-praxis or
whatever for many years to obtain such a Recognition of such a
ONE-identity with the Universe (Ground of Universe = Dynamic Quality?)?
For me, multiple Islands of Experience being One is a paradox. I'm
dissatisfied with expressions some Zen-buddhists use such as: One is
Many, and Many is One... It seems to me Pirsig has formulated an
intellectual coherent solution against solipsism, but I'm very much
stuck in my S-O-blues, it seems.

Are there Islands in the Sea out there who can point me away from the
SOB (Subject-Object-Blues)?

Greetings, Patrick.

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