Hello Patrick,
as I see it:
DQ is One, static patterns are many.
A static pattern is one of many simply because it is a pattern, hence
different and distinct from another pattern. Static patterns belong to space
and time and have boundaries, and they are plural!
Recall that, of course, when Pirsig says that Quality is experience, this is
not the same thing as when you think of *your* experience (sensations,
memories, etc.). It is the pure experience that happens in the void before
the *you* even comes into play. You are a static pattern (or collection or
system thereof, whatever the mainstream MOQ suggests) and process this pure
experience in your own way, in the form of (subjective) static patterns. In
other words, I think Pirsig (as well as those trained in Zazen-whatever, to
use your words) postulate the "existence" of an "universal" or "fundamental"
or "pure" experience that isn't related to the self and actually comes
before the self itself... This pure experience thus exists before any
"island of experience". Island of experience (individuals) are like
different filters through which pure experience is processed, coming out in
amazingly diverse shapes from each of those filters.
To me, multiplicity is a matter of impurity. When the mirror of (pure)
reality is broken, each one of the pieces is an individual and will look at
the universe from a different viewpoint, which is defined by the specific
shape of its broken borders.
HTH
A
Patrick van den Berg ha scritto:
> Hi all,
>
> There's a problem that occured to me while reading the "Truth and
> Reality" thread. Our man Pirsig was quoted saying that there's truth
> every time you judge a painting. Quality is truth, but it's dynamic with
> static qualities under it. Quality seems to Pirsig to be intuitive, pure
> experience. I remember when I read Lila (too) long ago, that he steered
> away with his MOQ from the ravine of solipsism (the philosophy that you
> can only know your own experience) by indicating that in solipsism, the
> subject-object distinction is already made, and this distinction,
> according to the MOQ, is artificial. That makes sense to me, but I'm
> still not convinced that the MOQ avoids solipsism.
>
> If one equates DQ, the source (before the S-O-split), with experience
> being the sole reality, than truth is one (not many). Hm... now I'm
> trying to formulate the problem I notice I'm reasoning from a SOM
> perspective (which is, I state, for us non-enlightened people where
> we're in for 99.97% of our existence!): The thing is that I see it as
> evident that there are a lot more islands of experience 'out there',
> which all have DQ as their source and nearly all of them then make the
> S-O-split... but I now see I'm already making distinctions and am thus
> reasoning with static qualities; that is, away from the Source-DQ.
>
> Hm... there seem to be enlightened people out there who state that what
> they are is the basis of the universe itself, or something like that.
> But how can one deny that those INDIVIDUALS have had Zazen-praxis or
> whatever for many years to obtain such a Recognition of such a
> ONE-identity with the Universe (Ground of Universe = Dynamic Quality?)?
> For me, multiple Islands of Experience being One is a paradox. I'm
> dissatisfied with expressions some Zen-buddhists use such as: One is
> Many, and Many is One... It seems to me Pirsig has formulated an
> intellectual coherent solution against solipsism, but I'm very much
> stuck in my S-O-blues, it seems.
>
> Are there Islands in the Sea out there who can point me away from the
> SOB (Subject-Object-Blues)?
>
> Greetings, Patrick.
>
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