to struan,
geez man...you are the archetypal self-loathing critic: unable to produce
anything of worth yourself (it seems so far) you only attack others.
i mean i don't really care if you wnat to spend your time firing off sullen
and sarcastic missives to this list but it is a bit sad...how long have you
been at this now?
WHY are you doing it? do you think pirsig's stuff and the moq is that
dangerous?! if so in what sense. many many people have taken a lot of worth
from his books and that is the point isn't it? i think you once said that
you got a lot out of zamm yourself.....
i guess you won't reply to this but my inquiries are genuine.....
gav
>From: lynceus laban <xdionisusx@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: MD FROM STR*AN HEL*IER
>Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:03:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Greetings,
>
>(Just how good are those filters?)
>
>The idea that I can only post via others is infantile
>playground posturing of the most absurd kind. What a
>load of self-righteous nonsense; as if I would expect
>others to suffer next time Horse loses control and
>throws his toys out of the pram.
>
>MARCO:
>"We both know that under Diana another similar episode
>happened. So? Maybe I've not properly understood the
>reason for your words, let me know. Let me point out
>that in the past just Struan guessed that Horse had
>won a personal battle with Diana. For what I know,
>it's just his invention."
>
>SH:
>Firstly, it was not a similar episode, Marco, as you
>well know. Has it now become an actual requirement of
>membership that one misrepresents, or is this simply a
>corollary of over exposure to Pirsig? (that was
>sarcasm by the way, just in case you didn't pick it
>up) 'Mr X' made personal threats against Diana, which
>went well beyond the confines of this forum and,
>actually, he deserved a good kicking for it. The guy
>is evil. Secondly, there is no invention from me here.
>Horse always wanted the mailing lists and the website
>for himself and in the end he got them. We were in
>private e-mail contact with each other when Horse was
>trying to appropriate the lists and he deliberately
>signed up the domain name 'moq.org' well before he
>finally got control of the site. It was a cynical,
>shameful and fundamentally dishonest manoeuvre, which
>is one of the key reasons why I lost all respect for
>him. Don't misunderstand me, Horse is almost certainly
>too stupid to realise the extent of what he was doing,
>and he might even be blind enough to believe that he
>genuinely wanted Diana to stay, but that really is no
>excuse.
>
>Perhaps Horse's take over would have been a good thing
>if the site had improved and/or the moq had been moved
>forward one iota, but check out:
>
>MOQ_FOCUS - soon to be renamed MOQ_RANDOM_ADVERTS and
>perhaps the greatest tribute to his leadership.
>
>http://www.moq.org/chat/ - for chat that has been
>'coming soon' for months.
>
>http://www.moq.org/webring/ - interesting, but no
>movement there either
>
>http://www.moq.org/newsletter/newsletterbody.html -
>ditto
>
>http://www.moq.org/millennium/ - the most
>extraordinarily badly designed set of web pages I have
>ever seen, based around the ridiculous premise that
>mankind has got it wrong for two thousand years and
>will probably take another thousand years to get back
>on the right track. Not even tongue in cheek.
>Fabulous.
>
>There are also some great new essays on the forum. One
>in particular has some mad bloke asking Pirsig to give
>him a call, so that together they can save mankind.
>Jesus Christ. Literally!
>
>HORSE:
>". . . the MoQ as it is undeniably the most
>significant advance in philosophy for many years.
>Someday this will be uinderstood by many and not just
>the few as at present."
>
>If it weren't so sad, it would actually be funny. I
>uinderstand (sic) perfectly. Linked with the above,
>this millenarian eschatology is also a strong feature
>of cults. (check out Cohn N - The Pursuit of the
>Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical
>Anarchists of the Middle ages; or Sandeen E - The
>Roots of Fundamentalism: British and American
>Millenarianism 1800-1930, for some fascinating reading
>on this theme) The final piece of the jigsaw will
>arrive after Pirsig's death, at which point Horse will
>convince himself that Pirsig will return at the next
>millennium, dispensing salvation to the believers.
>When is Hale Bop next due?
>
>Just to make things clear, I will post what I want
>when I want, until Horse has the decency to ask me
>personally to cease contributing. It is a private list
>and Horse can regulate it as much or as little as he
>wants. I don't actually care how badly a degenerate
>philosophy is degraded by a degenerate webmaster and I
>certainly would not break the law by sending mail to a
>site that has specifically told me not to do so.
>
>Taken as a whole, you really are a preposterous bunch.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Stru*n
>
>
>
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