MD Moslem/Western

From: Stricklin, Jay (Stricklin.Jay@tchden.org)
Date: Wed Nov 11 1998 - 22:05:02 GMT


Hello

Something was said at the very beginning of our morality polemic about
addressing the Moslem/Western thing, at first it seemed arbitrary, but now
I'm realizing it is fundamental.

Some aspects of human culture seem to maintain "dynamic quality" regardless
of historical age. The Moslem faith, as I wish to discuss it here in the
context of American culture (I am very curious, and extremely interested in
hearing any other context becuz I am victim of Noam Chompsky's media, I know
nothing more of current events and interactions of the Moslem faith in other
cultures/countries, where it is probably had more of a history or more of a
contextual significance/presence, but in America it has taken on a most
surreal, and because of the racial slant, is taking on a possibly
devastating nature (that really depends on how its used, because morality is
at the heart of this issue, Diana referred to the "How you use it" nature of
goodness in the Marxism/Capitalism discussion, and that is at the heart of
my qualm concerning its growing significance.

I recently viewed a piece on the American TV news magazine 20 minutes, or
was it 60/60, :) hmm..., about "rescues" of American children of American
women who met and married Middle Eastern (Moslem) men in America, who
subsequently, after the failure of the marriage, returned and "kidnapped"
their American born children to live in their native, Moslem countries...
because??? According to the father, America is an immoral place for a child
to become an adult, and it is, I think.

This is where it gets sticky. I feel uncomfortable bringing this up, but I
think there is a fundamental nature to morals that Pirsig attempts to
illustrate with Lila (Remember that Reality/Quality/Morality equation?) a
nature of morality that transcends opinion and relativity. That transcends
culture itself, and ultimately transcends the events that found us here.
The fall? I'm tempted to say that the Moslem faith (in principle, obviously
not in practice, look at how Moslem led Afghanistan is profiting from
heroin.) is, in my limited understanding (I'm writing this in hopes of
learning more!) closer to the Morality that Pirsig.....DAMN, OK, time to
quote. These are Phadrus's thoughts out of context, but convenient for my
purpose in their own regard.

"Phadrus thought that the Metaphysics of Quality could be a replacement for
the paralyzing intellectual system that is allowing all this destruction
(moral-less objectivisim) to go unchecked. The paralysys of America is the
paralysis of moral patterns."(pg 351)

If all of this Moq stuff holds water, something, probably not the MoQ, is
going to fill this gap. I content that the Moslem faith is significant
contender. I see, not so much Moslem Ideals, but the hybrid, race tension
fuled "happening" in popular western culture, which what is "happening" in
western culture has undisputedly had an enormous influence over the rest of
the (connected) world.

"It is this intellectual pattern of amoral "objectivity" that is to blame
for the social deterioration of America, because it has undermined the
static social values necessary to prevent deterioration" This sounds like
the canvas of a culture in need to "latch on" and some of these new American
interpreted Moslem values are definitely void of "objetivisim" of possibly
any value. Phadrus continues... "...It has never come forth with a single
moral principle that distinguishes a Galileo fighting a social repression
from a common criminal fighting social repression. It has as a result
become a champion of both. That's the root of the problem" I've always
thought that the "Dynamic" of what is to come, the unknowable destiny always
stems from the most absurd or most predictable source. In light of this
last quote, I find it ironic that one of the central propagating forces of
the Moslem faith in America, besides obviously Moslem immigrants, are
prisons.

I know I have left a lot of loose ends, but I'm exausted and my bed is
winking at me. I apologize for not remembering, but someone mentioned that
it is easy to discuss past events, and work them out in the chemistry of the
MoQ, so maybe this is something for the future. Like I said, I really know
little about the issue world scale. I barley have a sort "at the source of
something in America" understanding. I'm looking forward to either being
ripped apart or enlightened.

Goodnight.

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