From: Elizaphanian (Elizaphanian@members.v21.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 03 2002 - 10:23:12 GMT
Hi David,
On this and on the brujo question, I'd be interested in your views on my
post to Davor, which I sent out on Friday, relating to religious mysticism
and the MoQ levels. I agree that you need to 'get your shit together' before
you can properly progress, although I don't see it as something absolute,
rather as something 'more or less'. For example, I would say that Augustine
clearly operates at the fourth level, and close to DQ, but he still had
hangups about dealing with his biological inheritance.
Sam
www.elizaphanian.v-2-1.net/home.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Buchanan" <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:23 AM
Subject: RE: MD Sophocles not Socrates
> Sam asked DMB .................................................Is it your
> view that the integration of the levels is a matter of spiritual awareness
> (however its defined - feel free to offer any definition you like), so
that
> advancing up the evolutionary tree is a question of mystical development,
ie
> DQ, and therefore not something that can be understood in terms of the
> static levels of the MoQ?
>
> dmb says:
> Hmmm. Good question. I tend to think of the whole she-bang as essentially
> spiritual, but if I get your question, you're asking if this integration
of
> the levels takes something beyond the levels, something spiritual or
> mystical perhaps? Is that about right? I suppose, like all growth, there's
> something Dynamic going on. But for the most part it seems to me that this
> integration is a pre-requisite for spiritual and mystical development.
(This
> is one of the areas where Wilber is much more helpful than Pirsig.) Not
that
> such things are the exclusive domain of intellectuals. Far from it. I
think
> it only makes sense, in light of Maslow and others, who are incorporated
> into Wilber's work, to believe that these higher states of consciousness
> depends on a certain level of competence at all the lower levels.
Basically,
> to enter the kingdom of heaven, you "gotta get your shit together" first.
> This is the static part. This part can be understood easily in MOQ terms;
> Lila, Rigel and the Captain. Each of these characters ... you know.
>
> Thanks,
> DMB
>
>
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