From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Nov 06 2002 - 16:52:51 GMT
Hi Steve, Magnus:
> Steve wrote:
> > Would you then agree that the levels do not not represent types of
> > things, ie types of patterns of value?
Magnus:
> I agree to the former but not the latter.
>
> Patterns are not things. Things are *composed* of patterns. All things you
> can see and touch are at least composed of inorganic patterns. And if the
> are eatable, the are also composed of biological patterns, and so on. These
> are the dimensions Jonathan mentioned, correct me if I'm wrong.
Platt:
I agree with Magnus.
Steve:
What type of awareness does a person have who has not attained this
mystical union.
Platt:
A person has all-level awareness with different degrees of awareness at
each level, depending on his life history. (See next answer.)
Steve:
Does it make sense to say that a person has a certain level of
awareness within each level and is not restricted to one level of
awareness?
Platt:
Yes. Lila had great biological awareness, some social awareness, very
little intellectual awareness. Others have different degrees of awareness
at different levels at different times. Generally, the more intellectual
awareness, the better--except that subject-object intellect is flawed.
Pirsig hints at an even higher level related to art. To me, the highest
level a person can permanently attain combines science and art, where
one is an inventor and designer, experimenter and a poet, a dreamer
and an entrepreneur all at once. Ben Franklin was one such.
Steve:
Do people climb a ladder of increased awareness from one level to the
next.
Platt:
A normal progression occurs from childhood to adult. A few push
against the learned static patterns of society and ideas into the
"conceptually unknown." This is the realm where science and art join in
common enterprise to explore the "undifferentiated aesthetic
continuum." (Refer to Pirsig's SODV Paper.)
Platt
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