From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Sun Dec 08 2002 - 16:02:45 GMT
Dear Platt,
You wrote 30 Nov 2002 12:47:28 -0500 (in direct response to Sam's 'life
after death ... doesn't mean
very much to me'):
'What captured my attention most of all in both Sam's and Wim's posts was
their use of the word "meaning" which served as a synonym for "value". ...
Besides that, what I find fascinating about the word "meaning" as Sam and
Wim use it is that there's no specific reference or pattern one can point to
and say, "That's what I mean by ^meaning^." Yet we understand
them perfectly well.'
For me 'meaning' is not a synonym for but a subclass of 'value' in the
MoQish sense. If something has 'meaning', it points to something else. The
'meaning' of words can usually be described in other words or expressed in
other ways (e.g. by acting it out). The kind of 'meaning' Sam and I refer to
can NOT be expressed. I am used to refer to it as 'Meaning'.
A metaphor or paradox (like 'life after death') which has 'Meaning' for us
points to something that cannot be directly described or expressed. We can
only try to point to it with other metaphors and paradoxes and by comparing
the experiences try to get a better grasp of that at which we point.
You wrote:
'The connection between aesthetic and religious "meanings" is so close as to
be almost inseparable. Both are above the intellectual level in the realm of
Spirit, Quality or, as Wim suggests, "Meaning" with a capital letter.'
In other words: art and religion can be understood as complementary ways of
pointing beyond the 4th level. By combining them we can bet a better grasp
of the potential 5th level.
See also my posting addressed to Sam in the 'Static and Dynamic aspects of
religion and mysticism' thread of 7 Dec 2002 23:11:57 +0100.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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