From: Glenn Bradford (gmbbradford@netscape.net)
Date: Tue Dec 10 2002 - 05:21:12 GMT
Rudy O.,
Yours is the best post I've seen in 6 months at least.
Because of this, I will not only answer every single
one of your questions, but I'll tell you where you have
blundered besides. Lucky you.
Let's get the blunders out of the way:
1) "I'm not a philosophy major." Kiss of death. It's too
late now, but you should have said you were and faked
your way through. You would have fooled most of the people.
2) "I can't keep up with the level of discussion here".
Baloney. I thought you said you could read.
3) "Please humor my comments and questions just this once"
Don't be a pansy. Expect answers and when they are not
given to your satisfaction, complain bitterly.
4) "I believe that I see the rough outlines of
what Pirsig was trying to say, but I'm still
befuddled." The befuddlement is not yours. This deserves
repeating. The befuddlement is not yours.
5) "So, I'll ask you to put up with my unsophisticated
comments and questions". With statements like this people
here will immediately consign the pattern called Rudy to
the social level or worse and you'll be prostrating before
the likes of David Buchannan the rest of your days. Unless
of course this appeals to you.
6) "Thanks in advance for your patience." That Victorian
graciousness crap sounds nice but it doesn't cut it here. See 3.
7) "I am from New Jersey". Unless you can say with some
authority that you live near Sandy Hook, which would be
unbelievably cool, it's generally a good rule of thumb not
to mention New Jersy, much less that you live there.
8) "We might be like deepwater fish". Never mind. That's OK.
9) "I don't have an IQ even approaching Pirsig's level".
You should have said "While my IQ is commensurate with
Pirsig's, ...". You could have EASILY faked your way with
this whopper. Another opportunity lost...see 1.
10). "If you want to flame me with high-level philosophical
constructs...". Your dime-store attempt at reverse psychology
will surely backfire with this bunch.
11) "Ken Wilbur ramblings". It's not "ur", it's "er": Wilber.
The rest is right.
12) "all I've got is a half-empty water pistol." This is all
getting very tiring and transparent. You are obviously smarter
that you're letting on, everyone knows it, and they are shaking
in their boots.
13) "Rudy O., from the Rigel school of reality". <cringe>
Never, ever, ever say this. Trust me, I know.
Now on to your questions:
"I suppose that my biggest question is, where does all
this bottom out?" Beats me, but if we were like deepwater
fish...
"Just how would you implement all of this?" SPAM emails and Microsoft
Messenger messages, for a start.
"How would you propose to teach the world to think in MOQ terms and
abandon SOM?" Follow Pirsig's lead and make fun of the SOM at every
turn.
"Wouldn't you have to change the nature of education from kindegarten to
grad school?" Yes, particularly first grade. My son's first science
unit is about how everything is made of matter.
"Wouldn't every textbook need to be translated and reprinted?" Yes
"Wouldn't our day-to-day language have to change?" Yes
"Wouldn't our governments and courts need to translate all of their
laws and regulations and proclamations and decisions into MOQ
language?" Yes
"Wouldn't every intellectual and analytical field, from psychology to
biology to physics to history to law to theology to political science to
medicine to engineering to architecture etc. have to
change its modulus operandi?" Yes, and their modus operandi, too.
"Wouldn't newspaper reporters have to learn MOQ-speak?" Yes
"Aren't we talking about something enormous here, something
revolutionary, something that would cause tremendous
disruptions while people get used to the new regime?" It's worth it.
"How would it all be done?" Infiltrate academia. Replace the
academics. The general public will follow like lambs to the
slaughter.
"Over how many years?" Let's see, how long did it take the
postmodernists?
"Where would it start?" Anywhere but New Jersey or Iraq would be fine.
"Who would guide it?" Dan Glover
"What would be the sanctions for non-cooperation?" Leave that
to Horse.
"How would you justify the costs and disruptions to the 99% of
us who aren't saavy about metaphysics?" You can't be serious.
A child could understand the MOQ. This isn't rocket science.
"What are the benefits?" Greater explanatory power.
"Would people generally become more enlightned?" Yes
"Would they change their behavior to become more cooperative
and more concerned about long-term social consequences?" Yes
"How do we objectively determine what is "higher" in
evolutionary terms?" This is a complicated question and
therefore will require more than a one or two word answer:
we stick the two things in the level they belong, and then see
which level is higher. It's like doing arithmetic or connecting
dots.
"Is something developed later in time always better? Yes
"Or is complexity the thing?" Yes
"Are the more complex things necessarily better?" Yes
Now that wasn't too bad, was it?
Glenn
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