From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Sun Dec 22 2002 - 16:11:55 GMT
DMB,
In answer to the dilemma I posed, you chose to follow Bo in repudiating
that bit of ZMM or, rather, translating it or updating it or, dare I say,
strongly misreading it. This is, obviously, perfectly exceptable.
However, I don't think you've fully realized the consequences of your choice.
I said before that, "the mythos-over-logos argument is the argument for
continuity between Reason and Myth, logos and mythos, dialectic and
rhetoric." As I understand, that's what the argument represents. No
discrete break. The MoQ argues for a discrete break. So, I agree when you
say, "There really is no problem with the logos being BOTH emergent from
and different than the mythos." Certainly. Never claimed there was. I
said, "Indeed, there isn't a problem with emergence. Its when the
mythos-over-logos argument continues by saying, 'Thus, logos is simply a
continuation of the mythos,' that a problem emerges." The MoQ can say that
logos is emergent from the mythos. That's not controversial. That was the
typical interpretation offered by the Greeks all the way to the present
until people started offering the mythos-over-logos argument in contrast to
the usual interpretation. The interpretation that the MoQ offers is
essentially logos-over-mythos. The Intellect level is morally superior to
the Social level. The mythos-over-logos interpretation says that neither
is morally superior over the other.
On the interpretation you wish to give, I think you must get rid of the
mythos-over-logos argument because it simply does not fit. Pirsig would've
been right if he had said that the MoQ agrees with the mythos-over-logos
thesis INSOFAR as the logos and intellect level are emergent out of the
mythos and social level, respectively. But that assertion isn't really the
core of the mythos-over-logos argument. The "mythos OVER logos" part is.
Matt
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