From: Marc Brookhuis (brookhuis1@zonnet.nl)
Date: Wed Jan 08 2003 - 21:55:16 GMT
Hi Patrick,
Mostly just lurking but I couldn't resist reacting on this.
I did an article on astrogy, and also know a lot about the I Ching, and
although I'm quite sceptical, there seems to be more to it than meets
the eye
See below... (in Arial)
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Van: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk] Namens Patrick van den Berg
Verzonden: woensdag 8 januari 2003 15:32
Aan: moq_discuss@moq.org
Onderwerp: Re: MD Jung pt. 3
Hi erin,
I didn't know Jung actually has used the I Ching. You write that he
judged that I Ching really works and contains a deep subtle wisdom.
Interesting. Maybe the same 'subtle wisdom' is contained in astrological
practice, Tarot cards, etc. Many people use this, so how is this feeling
that it really works to be explained... There seem to be a few options.
1) Because of the ambiguity of many horiscopical predictions, no matter
what happens, it will always fit in the description of your horoscope if
you want it. Moreover, there are often more predictions than one in your
horoscope. People might fool themselves by selectively remembering the
prediction that came through, while ignoring the wrong ones. This is
psychology's 'self-forfilling-prophecy' of course.
Marc: But, the problem is that if you go to a good Astrologist you get a
very detailed horoscope. Also I did a check with a friend and both
horoscopes were very different
2) In case of Tarot cards, by using them more often, one subconsciously
records little marks on the back of the cards, so that the
subconsciousness is processing the information of the cards while one is
picking a card, creating a positive feeling when an apt card is spotted
by the conscious self.
3) The long history of the making of the I Ching and astrology was one
of trial and error. Saying that the Year of the Rabbit or the Dragon is
a good or bad year, might depend on real physical cycli, say the 11-year
cycle of sun-bursts and all: this has real effects on earth's climate
and thus life. So, the astrological reasoning might be false, but
through the trial-and-error history one might accidentily have stumbled
on a real physical phenomenon influencing things.
4) Our subconcious in laying down those sticks or coins of the I Ching,
or the Tarot cards, might influence the outcome paranormally, via
psychokinesis or precognition for example.
5) We might be aided by guardian angels that influence the outcome of
the coins or drawing a card.
Jung's notion of synchronicity was developed with Wolfgang Pauli, as you
know, who was one of the discoverers of quantum physics (the exclusion
principle that says that certain kind of particles can't occupy the same
place is named after him). In Quantum physics, there is this
EPR-paradox, 'spooky action on a distance'. That this is a real effect,
was demonstated in the eighties by Aspect and collegues. So
synchronicity might be 'explained' by quantum nonlocality. I believe
Pauli searched in this direction for an explanation of synchronicity.
Thanks for your time, Patrick.
Marc:
6 Most of these methods refer to a Quality of Time, meaning each time
has its own kind of special quality. My article on astrology consisted
also an interview with a philosopher who devoted lots of his time to
astrology. He claimed, and I liked this one, that the problem with the
normal view is that man considers himself as a subject opposed to an
objective world surrounding him. Like watching a movie f.e. But, he
stated, by doing that you forget that man in basic, originally, is made
of the same parts, as his 'natural' surroundings. (I quess he refered to
molecules, dna...)
regards,
Marc
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