RE: [Spam] Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise

From: Chuck Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Tue Aug 03 2004 - 21:03:55 BST

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    Hello Everyone,

    Discovered or not, Everything has always existed; indivual obsevers, they're
    the ones, we're the one's who don't really exist. Only sums of experiences
    exist and they get less complex, with fewer boundaries on the higher levels.
    Experiences are everything. You are everything.

    There is no observer and nothing observed; there is only observation.

    Chuck

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
    On Behalf Of johnny moral
    Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:11 AM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: Re: [Spam] Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise

    Hi Mark H,

    >On 2 Aug 2004 at 18:07, johnny moral wrote:
    >
    >But I think if no mother ever noticed me gestating or
    >being born, if no people ever noticed my existence, then I think the
    >conclusion would be that I do not exist.
    >
    >msh says:
    >Hi Johnny. Sorry for buttin' in, but I can't resist. So who would
    >be drawing that conclusion?
    >
    >It's like asking "Dammit, do I exist or not?" The irrefutable
    >response is "Who wants to know?" ;-)

    That would be the conclusion of everyone. I wouldn't exist. I have never
    noticed a younger brother, my mother never noticed a younger son being born,

    there was no younger brother enrolled in school or babysat by neighbors, no
    one has ever seen one or had any reason to believe that there is one. A
    younger brother does not exist.

    Everyone who exists has been noticed by someone, everything that exists has
    been noticed by someone. Things only exist in consciousnesses.

    Things that are discovered, like a new species or a new star or planet, come

    into existence at the moment of discovery. Their prior existence is then
    postulated back into history, which is now different from what it had been,
    but it now has to be different, there is no way for it to be consitent (or
    coherent) without this new thing existing. It wouldn't make sense for the
    new thing not to exist.

    Johnny

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