From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Aug 04 2004 - 21:15:16 BST
Hi Chuck,
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Discovered or not, Everything has always existed; indivual obsevers,
>they're
>the ones, we're the one's who don't really exist. Only sums of experiences
>exist and they get less complex, with fewer boundaries on the higher
>levels.
>Experiences are everything. You are everything.
>
>There is no observer and nothing observed; there is only observation.
>
>Chuck
I think you are being inconsistent here. Everything has always existed is
only a high quality (VERY high quality) pattern. It is completely analogous
and equally correct as the high quality patern that observers exist. These
are of course SOM, which is a very high quality pattern that says subjects
and objects exist. So you shouldn't say "objects have always existed" and
then try to say "observers don't really exist." They emerge together with
the observation. (I guess you do get to that conclusion.)
I think though that if you are saying there IS observation, then that would
be simultaneous with there being observers and objects. If you are talking
about what there IS in the time before objects and subjects come into
existence, then there is only expectation of their coming to be, contained
in Morality or Quality.
Johnny
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