From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 - 20:41:58 BST
Hi David,
>Johnny:No "individual" hydrogen and oxygen atoms invented
>water (though some must have been 'first'),
>
>
>DM: Well. I suggest that DQ did event water as an emergent event
>in the context of hydrogen and atom laying down a new SQ
>pattern. As DQ emerges in new ways in the context of all
>the SQ patterns that make up the collective we might decide
>to call an individual.
Exactly, just as DQ invented water, and not the "fully emerged individual"
atoms which first bonded together, DQ invented the airplane and not the
"fully emerged individual" people. You and Platt were giving a little too
much ideologically motivated credit to the Randian "individuals". They do
deserve credit for being the creative geniuses they arer, but Morality
deserves credit for them being creative geniuses.
I believe that water existed before hydrogen and oxygen, and that they were
created only when people decided to look to see what water was made of.
Prior to that, "air" existed, but not hydrogen and oxygen. Of course, once
they were created, they had to be projected back into history and the
creation was turned into a discovery. But it was a creation, not a
discovery. It is only believed to be a discovery in SOM reality.
Johnny
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