From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 06 2004 - 20:57:06 BST
Hi David,
>Hi Johnny
>
>I think you might be getting the MOQ confused with Idealism,
>what does existence mean in the MOQ, I cannot recall
>much reference to this by Pirsig? any relevant quotes you have in mind?
>What physics do you have in mind?
Well, they are very similar, and they both say that the world "out there"'s
existence is dependent on consciousness experiencing it. I think Idealism
has a misunderstood connotation of things being able to be conjured into
existence willy-nilly, but it has the same obedience to necessity that that
MoQ has.
In SOM, the rock exists as a rock, in the MoQ, the rock exists as a pattern
of value that morally expects a rock to exist, in Idealism, the rock exists
as an idea of a rock. In all three, the foot can kick the rock.
The physics I am thinking of is John Archibald Wheeler's "participatory
universe" and "It From Bit" theory. Wheeler was a contemporary of Einstein
and is still alive and he's no nut (my dad kind of thinks he's a nut, he's a
physicist too and saw his talk and had dinner with him once). It from Bit
says that this an information-based universe, with everything being a binary
yes or no response to questions asked by a consciousness. Those binary yes
an no's are basically to the question of "should this pattern continue or
not".
Johnny
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>
> > >Hi Johnny
> > >
> > >So say we discover a new type of tree.
> > >Was it there before we discovered it?
> > >Well it grew somehow!
> > >
> > >DM
> >
> >
> > In SOM, yes, it was there before. In MoQ (and modern physics), no, it
> > wasn't. Its existence and its history are newly created high quality
> > patterns.
> >
> >
> > Johnny
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