Re: [Spam] Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Aug 06 2004 - 21:18:26 BST

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    Hi Johnny,

    Your wrote:
    > And yet he then goes on to divide Quality into DQ and SQ, doesn't he? SQ
    > is a collection of patterns, isn't it? I say there's only the patterns of
    > SQ and that DQ is a tooth fairy, and that the dynanicism and change of SQ
    > happens because patterns do not always repeat, but only morally attempt to
    > to repeat

    DQ is a tooth fairy? You may not agree with the MOQ, but at least there's
    no doubt about where you stand.

    > If there are two patterns in conflict, the stronger (higher
    > quality) pattern repeats and the weaker one is thwarted, and thus a dynamic
    > change has occured.

    This is right out of Darwin: survival of the fittest (strongest) pattern.

    > In the beginning, (and at the root of every developing to-be-experienced
    > Now) Quality is only one thing - the essence of Quality/Expectation itself,
    > of there being a next moment, a pattern which should be repeated. That
    > expectation is consciousness. I think we use the terms in different
    > contexts, but they are the actually interchangable. There can be no
    > Quality without consciousness, and vice versa, because they are the same
    > thing.

    Quality = consciousness = expectation. As I said, at least there's no
    doubt about where you stand. You metaphysics seems to be, "Whatever will
    be will be."

    Platt (previously)
    > >I'm glad that when I quench my thirst by drinking a glass of water that
    > >I'm swallowing more satisfying than someone's belief. :-)
     
     Johnny:
    > Are your beliefs so wrong that you would drink what you believe is
    battery
    > acid and just hope it was water?

    Once I believe it's water, I'm glad what goes down my throat isn't just a
    belief. Beliefs, expectations, observations, or words won't quench my
    thirst, or feed the starving masses.

    As William James said, "A bill of fare with one real raisin on it instead
    of the word "raisin," with one real egg instead of the word "egg" might be
    an inadequate meal, but it would at least be a commencement of reality."

    Anyway, nobody believes chickens lay eggs only when someone is looking.

    Platt
     

    Platt

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