Re: MD MOQ and The Problem Of Evit

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    From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:11 PM
    Subject: MD MOQ and The Problem Of Evit

    > Hi Mel, Chuck, all,
    >
    > The P.O.E. is being thrown around, but, so far, reading Chuck and Mel
    > (even though Mel's had four years of philosophy) I don't get a sense
    > that the problem's been properly formulated. Here it is:
    >
    > P1) God exists
    > P2) God is omniscient
    > P3) God is omnipotent
    > P4) God is benevolent
    > P5) The world is full of suffering not caused by man.
    >
    > P5 is evident. Therefore God, as defined (P2-P4), does not exist.

    Thanks for the formulation, but once again another
    example that makes no REAL workd sense.
    An implied duty slides unmentioned that the ability
    to do something equates to a duty, but the whole
    free will thing cancels that linkage...no need for
    an emergence emergency ;-)

    >
    > And Mel, let's avoid Emergence here. I've looked into it, (thanks
    > for the links), and find it an interesting post-modernist diversion,
    > but hardly earth-shattering in its revelations. Given all the
    > jargon, I was expecting something more. The cowboy idiom is "Lotsa
    > hat and no cattle", or, to use your phrase, plenty of decoration.
    >
    My original question re:emergence is whether those instances
    of emergence seem to track with the dynamic. Is this a "footprint"
    or just a loose association or a false perception?

    What's the data for any particular conclusion? nothing more...

     
    > Now, MOQers, substitute DQ for God in the above, and explain
    > yourselves. And, please, let's try not to say suffering is an
    > illusion.
    >
    > Thanks to all, and let's RUMBLE!
    >
    POE does seem pretty SOM, when you think about it...

    thanks--mel

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