From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Aug 19 2004 - 12:14:07 BST
> msh says:
> Platt proves my point. Hayes is a staff writer for The Weekly
> Standard (owned by Murdoch), a regular commentator on Fox (owned by
> Murdoch), who's book (pumped and pumped and pumped by Fox) is
> published by Harper Collins (owned by Murdoch). Hayes' journalistic
> efforts are contributions to The New York Post (Murdoch), Washington
> Times (right-wing whacko Sun Yung Moon), etc etc etc.
It's ironic to say the least that the subject of this thread includes
"Logical Analysis" only to find MSH engaging in a long ad hominem
argument. Instead of attempting to disprove the truth of what Hayes wrote,
MSH attacks who he is associated with.
> The "cozy" connections he writes of are really more of a "connect the dots"
> (his words) reliance on things like "open source" news articles,
> transcripts from the 1998 embassy bombing trials, as well as conveniently
> anonymous intelligence reports and informants. Hayes himself has said
> that many of these stories may prove unreliable. Add to this the
> convenient absence of source notes and no knowledge of what cooperative
> efforts ever came of these supposed contacts. So what's the point of this
> exercise? Take a look at his own credential and links to Murdoch, and the
> point becomes obvious.
The "point" is illogical on its face as noted above (ad hominem).
> You might be more persuasive, Platt, if you can find even one
> supporting study of this issue, preferably one conducted by someone
> not on Murdoch's payroll.
As noted in my post, the bipartisan 9/11 commission supports Hayes, a fact
conveniently ignored.
> msh:
> Please. Not this treadmill again. One more time: This is not a
> conspiracy at all. Major commercial media outlets are also major
> corporations, usually owned by bigger corps making up the Industrial
> side of the Military-Industrial Complex. Their institutional goal is
> to maximize profit. War is great for profit in two obvious ways: the
> transfer of tax dollars into private pockets via weapons manufacture and
> maintence; and the expansion of markets and resources that always comes
> with conquest. The profit is especially impressive when others are paying
> the physical and financial price.
Amazing. On the one had it's the Murdoch media empire to blame for war
propaganda. Now it's the media in general that's to blame because they're
in bed with the military-industrial complex. Of course, the fact that
Murdoch owns no munitions factories nor is involved with heavy industry of
any kind is irrelevant. Logical analysis hits a new high. :-)
What really bothers MSH and others about Murdoch is that he is a devout
anti-communist and a libertarian which means, in his own words, "As much
individual responsibility as possible, as little government as possible,
as few rules as possible." Leftists hate people who believe in that sort
of freedom. Fortunately, there are plenty of people still left in the U.S.
who agree with Murdoch and find in his media outlets a refreshing counter
to the leftist propaganda spewed by such media giants as Time-Warner, CBS
and the BBC.
Platt
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