From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Aug 24 2004 - 19:04:08 BST
Ham
this coming together of world/language/man
to appear within Being or Becoming is the basis
of Heidegger's non-dualism & may help
you to understand Pirsig, as Heidegger is seen as
the guy who removed essentialism & dualism from post-modern
philosophy so that we could re-think god.
regards
DM
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From: "Paul Turner" <paul@turnerbc.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: MD The individual in the MOQ
> Ham
>
> There is something in your post which I haven't addressed. I answered
> the claim that the MOQ is solipsistic but not the point that you think
> makes it solipsistic.
>
> Ham said:
> Are we to accept the idea that man (whose essence is Quality) is judging
> and acting upon a reality that is his own essence?
>
> Paul:
> First, the use of the term "essence" causes me problems because it seems
> to point to something unchanging, so when you say the "essence of man is
> Quality," whether I agree or not depends on what you mean by "essence."
>
> Second, in the MOQ, man is not outside of reality judging and acting
> upon it. Both "man" and "his reality" arise together through the
> activity of "judgement," or evaluation i.e. Quality. This type of
> understanding - dependent arising - is common in Eastern philosophy but
> I hesitate to use the terms as it goes against the grain of a "western
> mind."
>
> So, I think the answer to your question is that "man and his reality"
> are indeed essentially the same, but neither has existential priority,
> as both arise together, therefore "man's reality" is not reduced to
> "man," or his essential self, which would be solipsism. Both are reduced
> to something which is neither.
>
> More "word games," no doubt.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
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