From: Paul Turner (paul@turnerbc.co.uk)
Date: Thu Aug 26 2004 - 13:26:50 BST
Hi Ham
Ham said:
At the risk of violating the rules here, may I suggest that chasing
around to find a logic that "permits" one conclusion over another is not
helpful when the goal is simply to explain a concept and its meaning.
Logic does not apply to undifferentiated Quality or Essence, anyway, and
its use to validate (or invalidate) a metaphysical scenario is a
distraction to understanding.
Paul:
It was you, Ham, who stated that the idea that Quality can be the source
of itself is illogical, as if to invalidate it.
However, to put the exchange in context, Scott and I have had a few
discussions about non-Aristotelian logic in the past, particularly
Nishida's Logic of Contradictory Identity. My comment about Indian Logic
in the post to you was a nod to those discussions; it wasn't a tactic to
distract you.
Finally, as to your comments above, although I may agree that "logic
does not apply to undifferentiated Quality," it does not follow that its
use is always a distraction to an understanding. In fact, in my reply to
Scott I have provided an example, whether it is faithful to Nagarjuna or
not, of how a logic of negation can be applied to systems of philosophic
mysticism such as the MOQ. Scott has done something similar, and
probably better, with Nishida in the past.
Ham said:
Jaspers concludes this section with the statement: "Suffice it to say
that
the Comprehensive, conceived as being itself, is called transcendence
(God),
and the world, while as that which we ourselves are it is called
being-there, consciousness, mind, and existence." I depart from Jaspers
only with respect to his definition of the Comprehensive (Essence) as
"being", as I regard beingness as an "intellectualized" property of
experienced objects rather than the nature of Essence itself.
Paul:
I think the MOQ departs from Jaspers and Priday by referring to "the
Comprehensive" as Quality, as it regards "being," "God," and "Essence"
as empirically unverifiable intellectualisations rather than the
experience of Quality itself.
Regards
Paul
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