RE: MD Provocative statements

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Mon Aug 30 2004 - 03:03:05 BST

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    DMB and all:

    There's no point in responding to DMB's long diatribe impugning my motives
    and questioning my intelligence. Sadly, his hatred of President Bush and
    the current administration has not only brought out his mean streak, but
    has also loosened his grip on reality. Case in point, his version of
    Pirsig's view of conservatism:

    > dmb replies:
    > To be generous, Pirsig's respect for tradition and the accomplishments of
    > the social level does make him a conservative in some sense of the word,
    > the best sense of the word. But his stance is very far from the American
    > conservatives of today, who are rightly described by Pirsig as
    > neo-Victorian reactionaries, exploitive capitalists, church bigots and
    > ignorant hicks. I know that's harsh, but these are the demographic
    > realities of the Republican party and Pirsig's own admittedly insulting
    > terms.

    Pirsig never described conservatives in the terms DMB seems to think he
    did. In fact, here's what Pirsig really said:

    "The MOQ supports both conservatism and liberalism at the same time.
    Freedom and order are contradictory but both are necessary at the same
    time." (LS, Note 180)

    And, lest we forget, Pirsig also said:

    "It is not that Victorian social economic patterns are more moral than
    socialist intellectual economic patterns. Quite the opposite. They are
    less moral as static patterns go. What makes the free-enterprise system
    superior is that the socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively,
    have inadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and
    selling of things." (Lila, 17)

    I don't think DMB will ever get over the fact that Pirsig called the free
    enterprise system superior to socialism.

    Platt

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