Re: MD MoQ Tests better than Cold Logic ?

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Mon Aug 30 2004 - 19:19:38 BST

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    And Platt - I didn't say anything as fatuous as
    "if it feels good do it"

    In fact I very specifically "highlighted" the distinction I made by
    inserting a word in that phrase.
    Let's have honest debate, not aggressive pillorying.

    Ian

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:48 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MoQ Tests better than Cold Logic ?

    > Platt,
    >
    > I'm aware of the Pirsig quote on Hippies, I didn't drop the Joni Mitchell
    > quote in by accident did I.
    > Pirsig also goes on to write a whole book on the subject after the quote
    you
    > choose, so it's hardly his last word.
    >
    > What you are doing is ignoring the "I don't know, you tell me" statement
    > preceeding the quote you mutilate.
    >
    > So how would you make a difficult decision, like the one in DMB's example
    > - a "political" decision with the option to draw on apparent "scientific
    > facts"
    >
    > Ian
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>; <owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk>
    > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:34 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD MoQ Tests better than Cold Logic ?
    >
    >
    > > Hi Ian,
    > >
    > > > Better (MoQ-based) tests than cold scientific logic ?
    > > > How about ...
    > > >
    > > > Consideration of which (MoQ) layers the current issue relates,
    > > > relationships between the layers and the motivations of the actors
    > > > involved. Gut feel, common sense, the opinion of someone you "trust".
    A
    > > > good story, a good joke / aphorism / analogy / metaphor, sleep on it
    > > > perhaps ... A long hard think on a lonely mountaintop, after a long
    hard
    > > > climb in which to forget about cultural pre-conceptions ? Or the Joni
    > > > Mitchell Method - "I've looked at clouds from both sides now" Or - my
    > > > personal favourite - staring in wonder at a strong tidal flow of water
    > for
    > > > a few hours.
    > > >
    > > > All sounds a bit "Zen Enlightenment" that ?
    > > > What a surprise, given I'm no Buddhist, nor any kind of mystic.
    > > > Just "feels" right. If it (genuinely) feels good do it.
    > >
    > > Your advice "If it feels good, do it" reminded me of Pirsig's analysis
    of
    > > the hippie movement of the 60s. Your objections to the "prevailing
    > > paradigm" appear to me to be very much like what the flower children
    also
    > > found objectionable:
    > >
    > > "Whatever the intellectuals of the twenties had fought to create, the
    > > flower children of the sixties fought to destroy. Contempt for rules,
    for
    > > material possessions, for war, for police, for science, for technology
    > > were standard repertoire." (Lila, 24)
    > >
    > > Thanks for responding to my question.
    > >
    > > Platt
    > >
    > >
    > >
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